Cry the beloved country. Is there anyone in the world that actually still thinks this election was free or indeed fair? Why did it take so long to release the results? To me it just points to one inescapable fact - President Mugabe lost. Equally obvious and transparent is the attempt at forcing a run-off election. If he had been declared the winner after all the recounting no-one would have believed it. Much more believable that the MDC won a few more seats and that there now has to be a new election. Much easier to generate the necessary fear and terrorise the voters into voting the "approved" way. Well done Mr. Mugabe, (or should that be His Excellency, President for Life, Robert Mugabe?), and well done Zimbabwe. Never were truer words spoken than these: Every country deserves the leaders it elects." By standing idly by and letting your own democratic process be made a mockery of, you deserve a government that is going to continue to subjugate and impoverish you worse than any white government ever did. My heart bleeds for every one of you.

Go home shiri you moron.

Morgan Tsvagirai reminds genuine Panafricanists of Moise Tsombe and his acts of betrayal, launched from Katanga and spread to the whole of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Zimbabweans should not forget that just like Moise Tsombe was supported by Britain and the USA to destabilize the Congo - these countries actually sabotaged the efforts of the United Nations to contain the situation in those days - it is the same countries which are pushing Morgan Tsvangirai to eventually destroy Zimbabwe beyond the point of economic recovery. It is just to reverse all the positive gains of the liberation struggle led successfully by the ZANU-PF!

Zimbabweans should just reflect on the aftermath of the destabilization of the Congo in the 1960s! The situation is still characterized by human tragedy, economic stand-still and war! zimbabweans must show Morgan Tsvangirai the way out to Britain; he may better stay there the rest of his life, near his masters. Why is the African Union so silent when persons of the like of Morgan Tsvangirai openly call on Britain and the US to intervene militarily in Zimbabwe? Are the African Presidents not aware of what is going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Dafuor (Sudan), Kosovo and other places where Britain and America have intervened militarily,

Africans must now solidarize with Zimbabwe and put pressure on Britain and its allies to lift economic sanctions against the country.

Britain and the US vetoed every initiative at the United Nations in the 1960s and 1970s to impose economic sanctions on Apartheid South Africa and Iain Smith's Rhodesia after the unilateral declaration of independence. They supplied the dangerous chemical war agent 'anthrax' to the white minority Regime to poison, kill and maim animals, humans and plants during the liberation war Tsimurenga.

Can Zimbabweans following and supporting MDC-T have forgotten all history so soon? When has Britain together with the US ever cared about Human Rights anywhere? In Iraq?,in Guantanamo? In India during the colonial times? Anywhere in the colonies on the African continent?. Or in Australia vis-a-vis the destiny of the indigenous population?, where they tested their nuclear weapons?

Zimbabwe is now at the forefront of Africa's struggle for true political and economic independence!

Zimbabweans should stand together!

If necessary, a new Tsimurenga must unfold! Peter Matoku

Nobody buys your propaganda. Im just wondering how much you have been paid to write such a false and blatant attack. I hope your family will be targeted by the next round of "non violence".

How can you believe this rubbish? And don't pretend to know about the UK and human rights just because you read The Herald. UK laws give people more human rights than you can imagine.

Can you imagine this happening in Zim?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1520534/KFC-meal-%27ensures-siege-ma n%27s-rights%27.html

I don't think so!

Well said, African's do need to wake up to western evil.

Zimbabwe is at war. I cannot believe the cr*p I read in this article - propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. In my area alone, there are over one hundred familys who have fled their homes as they were being brutally assaulted and intimidated by Zanu Pf thugs. Their homes razed to the ground, food stores burnt, beaten inhumanely, ... should I carry on? Don't say all is well in Zimbabwe.

Caesar Zvayi where do you live man. It sure isn't in the same country that I am living in.

The world should not believe the exaggerated stories by MDC. I supported and voted for MDC in the recent elections.But I noticed something, Tsvangirai, Chamisa and Biti are just power hungery, they like to prophesy bloodshed, genocide and all sorts of evil things to fall on Zimbabwe.They think they will gain milage by lying.Their accusations are baseless and worsening the situation in Zimbabwe.Thats the reason why SADC and Mbeki in particular seem to be "linient" to Mugabe, I guess when they ask MDC about the crisis, no facts and truths come from these guys.For a fact , most people who have been beaten in Zimbabwe have been MDC thugs trying to destabilise by breaking the law.Yes they could be rowdy ZANU Pf suppoters harrasing people, but not to an extent of always crying foul as potrayed by MDC. How do you expect suppoters of Leaders who lie and call Zimbabwe a war zone to behave.MDC is surely a puppet party.I wish I could withdraw my vote for these selfish party of exaggerators and liars.The western world should leave this issue to SADC to solve.SADC has facts.

If Zimbabwe is so rosy why did the vile Zvayi run to botswana university to take up a job as a lecturer. Hats off to gaberone... they deported the bastard. drove him to plumtree and dropped of together with other illegal immigrants. Akambonwa tea isina shuga anochinja maitiro. Though I despise Mugabe in no uncertain terms I cannot begin to imagine how Tsvangirai could lead Zimbabwe.

Its a shame people like u ZVAYI still allow themselves to be used by Bob,but what u should understand is that the man is old and he wil soon be dead .KO IWE UCHAZOVEPI KANA BOB AROVAPASI?ZVIBVUNZE....Chinja maitiro ako aya.

Its a shame too that some people like chinja maitiro cant see that MDC is a British and US Puppet Party, these guys s govt were democratically elected, without funding from any external govt, but because you are Africans, they want things done autocratically their way and and fund sellouts black brothers in the MDC to drive their interests because of their cousins who lost farms( Remember Tsvangirai clapping hands receiving cheques from all white farmers before we even knew how Mugabe was going to take back the farms).Mugabe has a case to answer to us Zimbos on how he did the land reform, not to the British or Americans who exploited us long back. Wake up Zimbabweans, you are too intelligent to be puppets.

It's more of a shame that fools like you believe the Herald propaganda.

You see mindpower it is not only i that can see what is going on. Like i said to you before it's lies,lies,lies! U.K , U.S.A, rhodies, MDC please just leave Zimbabwe alone - you have done enough damage already.

Someone agrees with you. All that proves is that ZANU-PF propaganda works on small minded people. :-D

Lindie, lindie.. Don't show your ignorance and gullibilty on such a platform.. Are the Chinese and Russians who gave Zanu PF (which Mugabe thanked them for) weapons and training during the Liberation struggle black??? Just because whites gave the MDC donations (for which any sane person will be thankful for), it doesn't mean that they are driving their interests.. This is the 21st Century, get out of the old politics you're still stuck in.. I saw a white man giving Obama a donation and the opposite for Hillary, I didn't see any smear campaign for that.. Please, send a well researched commentary before showing your ignorance to the whole world

Hey cadre, that was a nice try but WE dont buy your ********. There is only one reason whites are helping the mdc. To say they are doing out of the goodness of their hearts is a joke! Go and help the people of Sudan oh great one!

Please AllAfrica, stop publishing this The Herald stories. They are not a newspaper, they are a propaganda publisher.

Mindpower,YOU should be band because for your hate for Africa.

Me hate Africa? Please, find ONE statement where I have said something that indicates I hate Africa.

I love Africa. I hate greedy leaders who won't let go of power. And fools like you who support them.

So why dont you just move on - Zimbabwe will be fine. You have a serious bout of SOUR GRAPES.

Mindpower, take no notice of Subatana.All he knows to say is that people are either sour grapes, sell outs or racists etc when he responds to articles written by people like you who know and understand the awful situation in Zimbabwe. It is non thinkers like him that Zimbabwe will continue spiraling to oblivion. As long as Mugabe continues brutalizing the Zimbabweans who did not vote for him ,and the African leaders continue handling him with kid gloves, who will come to the aid of the people? Some say the Chinese. Yes they will give loans but in return will also dump in all the lead tainted inferior trash that the western countries have rejected. If children suddenly suffer unexplainable diseases and neonatal deformities, check those 'made in China' lead tainted pots and pans and even the very toys the children are sucking.They don't care. The latest torture to those who did not vote for Mugabe is called 'the baptism of traitors' where people are rounded up early hours of the morning by the militia that has camped in places such as in Chitangazuva primary school using it as torture camps about 90 miles east of Harare. These victims are beaten, demoralized and left for dead.Some are taken to Mutoko hospital with fractured skulls,and limbs, not to mention other severe body injuries.You also have people like prisons chief Paradzai Zimondi in Uzumba district sheltering and feeding Zanu PF thugs in his piggery to terrorize defenseless MDC supporters.So what is to be done? It is like a piece of clothing that is taring.If it is not mended then the tare continues.

You keep mentioning sour grapes. Maybe you should post some to the starving people in Zim. Oh wait, you don't think anyone is starving because in the photos of voting queues at the last election none of the people too malnourished to walk to polling stations bothered to show up and pose for the camera. :-D

Kuba, there are glass bottles which are less transparent then you. Everyone can see you don't answer questions and bring out the race card at every opportunity. You sure you're not in politics? A ZANU-PF employee in the Zim High Commission in NZ perhaps?

Hey mindpower, befree has just called you 'mindy' - you see even he does not take you serious anymore. The wheels are starting to fall off 'mindy' or is it Nomindpower?

Hahahaha, another moronic comment. Your a joke Kub. hahahaha.

Kuba is the board clown :-D

I think you are having difficulty understanding the concept of the term, "sour-grapes". Used in the way you did it implies that the other side is envious in some way. Like mindpower would want to live in a nice benevolent dictatorship like Zimbabwe. I have no connection with Zimbabwe whatsoever and from what I've heard and seen it currently sounds like a hell-hole, you whine about why we dont talk about Dafur and Somalia and Eritrea, those places are gone, they are beyond help other than a full scale intervention by a massive armed force to make sure the aid gets where it is going. Zimbabwe is not yet too far gone. You constantly talk about how terrible the white british are, yet they are the same white british who send £43 million to Zimbabe every year through the world food program, which estimates that by the end of next year 66% of Zimbabweans will need food aid. You cant buy food, water treatment equipment or medical supplies but a shipful of guns from the chinese is a bargain? I think you must be tasting sour grapes because everything you have said of late has been shot down in flames, from starving kids to white south african generals to $700million repaid to the AfDB. Between you and me I think you'd like to live in the UK because you've actually had a taste of how those terribly anglos live with their human rights and freedom of speach and democracy....how evil they are.

Kuba....... "Zimbabwe will be fine"?

What do 355,000% inflation and 80% unemployment mean to the people of Zimbabwe? Will "they" be "fine"?

What does it say what 25% of a country's population leaves their home country because they cannot feed their children? Will their children left in Zimbabwe "be fine"?

What does it say when the Army, Security Forces and associated Mobs beat helpless women, children and elderly when there is not a sufficient medical infrastructure to care for them and the doctors and hospitals that treat them are threatened for treating them - will these people "be fine"?

What does it say when a government (ZANU-PF/Mugabe) profess to be democratic when they delay the results of an election for 5 weeks, will the elections "be fine"?

What does it say when judges under the influence of ZANU-PF/Mugabe rule that cases before them "are too complex" to rule on? Are the people in custody "fine" or are they beaten while they are in custody?

What does it say when a government that delays elections because thay cannot afford to pay for them or feed it's own people, or provide medications in hospitals yet somehow finds the funds to buy arms from China?

Stay in New Zealand Kuba! Be grateful they don't deport you back to Zimbabwe! Obviously, if the current Zimbabwe is such a paradise, you never would have left for the former colonial "oppressors" land of New Zealand regardless of the professional opportunities you might possess!

Hey Mindy, notice how Kub couldnt come up with a statement that indicates you hate Africa. Hahahaha, he is a joke, albeit a sic one at that. He gets confused with what he is saying because of the hate, racism and hypocrisy that blinds him. keep up the good work Mindy!

Puppets governments will never be allowed in africa..just forget it! This COVERT fight for african rrsources through the mantras of democracry,rule of law,human rights,minority rights,international monitors,property rights etc does not cut for all africans. This is the reason why the AU supports the anti-colonial crusade in Zimbabwe.

Since when did the so called west care about africans?.. Actually close to 6000 000 people have died in the DRC because of the west's proxies! Why is the western world not concerned about this?

Please all africans a break!!!

Puppet this and puppet that, we've heard your propaganda and it's as boring as ever. If MDC are puppets then show us some REAL EVIDENCE of this, instead of regurgitated ZANU-PF nonsense.

Honestly, if The Herald wrote an article claiming the world was flat we'd have guys like Kubatana, Phiri and ABB arguing here that satellite images of the earth being round are a western conspiracy to hide the truth from Africans.

Mindy, the 'REAL EVIDENCE' of the mdc being a puppet government is people like YOU! Your fabricated lies about every aspect of Zimbabwe is proof enough. You and your cronies have been plotting Zimbabwe's downfall.

Kubatana, enough nonsense.

I hope this is enough evidence but I guess no amount of evidence is enough for people like kubatana6. I feel these pictures should be seen but please do not view if you are of a sensitive disposition or are easily offended. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sokwanele/sets/72157600853440301/

That's your evidence? There are people who are concerned about Zim and want a tired, old, racist leader who has been holding on to power for 28 years to be replaced? That's what you consider "proof" that MDC is a "puppet" government?

Pretty pathetic Kuba. You keep proving to us over and over that your beliefs are based on nothing more than racist hatred which you preach from the hypocritical safety of a western society thousands of miles away from Zim.

Go on, point out my "fabricated lies". I'd love to see what you come up with, I haven't read any good jokes today.

mindy, it is truly amazing how much you an Aussie knows about Zimbabwe. It is also amazing how passionate and determind you are to overthrow the Zimbabwean government. You must be Jesus Christ himself. Your undivided interest in Zimbabwe says it all.

What a surprise Kuba, you couldn't even answer mindpowers question. Oh by the way could you please let us all know how you are going to defend the pictures on the link which Glyph has posted for you. If you do have a defence, good luck.

Kuba is all hot air. I have yet to see him answer a single question anyone has asked him.

BTW Kuba I lived in Zim for 25 years, and still have friends and family there. So why shouldn't I be concerned about what happens to it?

Tell me Kuba, are you sending money back home to your family? I bet you are.

PS. I'm not an Aussie either. See how stupid assumptions make you look? :-D

mindy, what difference does it make - rhodie,aussie,yank,pom you all the same. Just leave Zimbabwe alone - you messed every country youv'e been to.

Gee, if that's not racist I dunno what is. I guess you think New Zealand was messed too. Why do you live there?

PS. I was born in Zimbabwe, I'm fourth generation African. Don't tell me to leave Zimbabwe alone!

mindy, there is nothing racist about what i said - JUST FACTS. Being fourth generation does not make you a Zimbabwean - you are a rhodesian and we dont need you anymore.

So a white person can never be a Zimbabwean? You really are a hateful racist!

Kubatana6 it seems as though everyone on the site has seen through you except for maybe your two alter-egos. You may not be familiar with the, "ad-hominem" fallacy, it translates, "to attack the messenger". When someone says something which proves you wrong, incompitent, or dishonest you, "attack the messenger" by calling them sick. or racist, or you modify their name in some way because simplistic humour like that seems to please you. I'm under the impression that most of the people here who want to see a positive change for Zimbabwe are enlightened and educated. You need to up your game-plan, you're starting to look out of your depth. No charge for the lesson in legal-latin.

gly, the most positive change has been the land reform program. The problem is that your kind will not accept it. It's called FEAR! Fear that black Zimbabwean's can be very sucessful. Deep down ALL black Zimbabweans including your mdc puppets know that our land is our wealth.

Where do you get your silly ideas about western people not wanting blacks to be successful? America's next president may well be black but I'm sure you'll find some way to twist that in your head to mean whites don't want blacks to be successful.

Why is it all race with you Kuba? The world has moved on but you want to live in the past.

And let's not forget that you've chosen to live in a predominantly white western society. What a hypocrite!

mindy, if you say it has nothing to do with race and the world has moved on why then cant you and your cronies accept that to be fair Zimbabwean land MUST go back to the black people. This issue is bigger than Mugabe and ZANU PF. This is about whites giving the land back to the rightfull owners. Now dont say that the white's bought the land because they did not - they stole the land not too long ago.

Kuba I've always supported land reform as long as it went to the PEOPLE not ZANU-PF cronies and is done intelligently. And even now after over 90% of the land has been reformed you still moan like nothing has changed since 1980.

What would satisfy you Kuba? A law that says no white person can ever own land in Zimbabwe?

I feel I must apologise profusely in advance to my fellow visitors to this site for this long, dreary and tedious post. Please do not feel under any obligation to read it but some people around here just need everything spelled out for them.

I live in a liberal western style democracy; LIKE KUBATANA6 DOES. The police are civil servants who are open to independent scrutiny by the IPCC. The armed forces may vote and that is the extent to which they are permitted to be politically active. The doctrine of the separation of powers means the executive branch of government cannot take power from the legislature this is regulated by the judiciary. The courts are allowed to prosecute the government. Newspapers are free to criticise and even to lampoon the government, political satire is accepted as a form of criticism. Healthcare is free at the point of delivery according to need as of 2006 there were 23 thousand cases of AIDS diagnosed but HAART drugs are widely available. My country is small but it is the world’s 6th largest economy. Following world war two post-industrialisation our economy moved to a service driven economy, we have a negligible manufacturing base and our primary areas are high technology and banking. We call ourselves UK Plc because we welcome foreign investment and pretty much everything is for sale. We are a capitalist economy and we don’t mind other countries coming in and creating wealth for us. Capitalists believe that the world works better when everyone in it has money to spend because it promotes growth and keeps money circulating. Our farmers produce food at a loss helped by government money to ensure we are self sufficient in food. Our currency is very strong and other countries buy it. Our political affiliations are between us and the ballot box; we may campaign for any party we choose without fear of reprisal. Freedom of speech is guaranteed by the Human Rights Act 1998. Some of our soldiers in Iraq have been prosecuted under this act because they are expected to take the Human Rights Act with them when they go to war in foreign countries. Some people are fortunate enough to have surplus income which they can use as they see fit, many show their appreciation by giving a portion of their disposable income to charities and NGO’s for the benefit of those whom they feel are less fortunate. Our government has an overseas development minister whose job it is to respond to calls for assistance from other countries. We have a multi party political system with four mainstream political parties who are guaranteed the same election time on television under the Representation of the Peoples Act, there is no state controlled media. Our leadership for all its shortcomings knows that if it doesn’t perform to our expectations it will spend the next post election period in opposition and it can do nothing to avoid it, which is called government by consent. We are signatories to the OECD anti-bribery convention and our Members of Parliament must declare every penny they have and where it came from. Our former prime minister is widely expected to be the first permanent President of the European Union he has properties worth £8 million(all mortgaged) and his wife earned £68 thousand in legal fees last year and £1 million from a book deal, I know this because I am able to check in Parliaments Register of Private Interests what public officials earn. Our diplomats are internationally respected the ambassador to the court of St James is a title which commands respect from civilized foreign governments. I serve in the armed forces and I have 3 degrees one from the worlds 5th highest ranking university even though I am the only child of an only child and was raised by my grandfather who was dirt poor and, “just” a coal miner for 48 yrs of his life. I have never enslaved, exploited, or even employed a person from Africa. Some of my superior officers are from former British colonies and my current immediate superior is from Namibia they have no problem with the colour of my skin and I have no problem with theirs. Our wives hang out together; they are firm friends and look after each other’s children when needed. A portion of my pay is deducted and given directly to Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital, I support no foreign charities. Food is cheap, plentiful and affordable enough that stores have enough for me to buy it as I need it. My home is worth many trillions of Zimbabwean Dollars, My wife is Canadian and we keep a home in Ontario where she and the children spend summer and winter holidays, she is a professional woman with a very good job, her father installed telephones for a living and her mother worked in a supermarket her parents were by no means rich. We own multiple vehicles and our 5 children are privately educated, We feel we are blessed and consider ourselves very fortunate to have everything we have worked hard to have, and yet desipte all of this...WE HAVE NO LAND IN ZIMBABWE, WE WANT NO LAND IN ZIMBABWE, WE HAVE NO NEED TO OWN LAND IN ZIMBABWE. How stupid we for putting up with this landless hell?

On the other hand.....

My country was once a colony of the British even when the British applied harsh sanctions to the Smith regime we had a successful export economy. When the current leadership took over we were known as the breadbasket of Africa. Since the land reforms where the government removed white farmers from their land for short term political gain our agricultural output has declined steeply, even small farmers were able to afford fertiliser thanks to large commercial farms. Now the tonnage of crops harvested per hectare of land is almost half of what it was 10 years ago. I now live in a dictatorship, the police are politicised, the a heads of the armed forces are basically an extension of the executive they are scared because they don’t want to end up in the international criminal court for atrocities committed in the Gurkurahundi in the 1980’s, they have said publicly that they will not accept a change of leadership because the MDC has promised a truth and justice commission if they are elected. They say it is a witch hunt and we should forget what happened 20 or more years ago but they never fail to remind us of the human rights abuses under white colonial rule. There are courts but no rule of law, there are newspapers but no freedom of the press. A newspaper editor can be arrested for printing a story the leadership doesn’t like. Healthcare is negligible, HIV/AIDS is rampant. Money is worthless, and we rank fourth on the worlds list of failed states. Gangs like the Green Bombers and War Veterans some of whom seem a little young to even have been born during the war, roam the country asking us for whom we voted, political opposition is not tolerated, student and trades union leaders are arrested for expressing opinions, the police detain foreign diplomats and confiscate communications equipment from journalists, we rely in large part on charity and nongovernmental organisations and on foreign governments who send us money and aid because..........they hate us?!?!? 80% of our people of working age have no job. Our leadership clings to power as if it was their birthright for fear of losing the money they have salted away in foreign banks. Their travel is restricted and they cannot get at the money they stole, they blame white people for this. They blame the troubles in the economy on sanctions which stop Lady Grace from shopping in Paris. I used to work on a farm where I was provided with a home and money for my labours I was being trained to be a farm manager but since the farm was taken the livestock has all died from lack of water and food and the pigs even consumed their young. I cannot live there anymore. I cannot afford to give my children the education I would have wanted for them, they used to be fed when they went to school now they have to take the food I can spare for them or go hungry. There is more food on the black market than in the shops. Many of the ruling elite send their children to US Australian and UK Universities I do not understand this as they supposedly hate white colonial imperialists, their children are going to be deported soon and they won’t have access to their foreign bank accounts. Our president has diamond mines in the Democratic Republic of Congo with whom we went to war, which was ruinous to our economy but he seems to have done well from it. Many of our people have gone to South Africa with others from Malawi and Mozambique they say they were better off in jail in South Africa than free in Zimbabwe; they had food, water, security, medical care and even toilet paper. Some of the local people have beaten them up and some have been killed because they don’t want us there, I think it must have been white people because black people wouldn’t do that to other black people. Some former soldiers came from South Africa to assess the scale of alleged human rights abuses and were reportedly shocked by what they found, I'm sure it's lies. No one on the world stage will deal with our leadership except for countries whose human rights record is as bad if not worse than theirs but they aren’t white so I guess that’s fine and the government tells us that we are all rich and EVERYTHING IS OK BECAUSE SOME RICH BLACK PEOPLE HAVE LAND. Why would I want to change this revolutionary utopia?

You commented on one part of my post kubatana6 which I am very grateful to kjrs120 for dealing with for me. I’ll take that to mean you agree with the parts you didn’t comment on as you had nothing to counter them with. You referred to white people as, “shitheads” in your post that was flagged as racist, you seem to resort to insults and racism when you are beaten in a debate as I said in my last post it makes you appear to be a little weak when you enjoy the freedoms you do in New Zealand as a guest of a white liberal democratic system. As for my growing a brain, I humbly suggest that it is your brain which needs some good fertilizer because Mugabe’s bu115h1T seems to be hindering it rather than helping it. Speaking of Mugabe’s 5h1T, it now costs ZWD $2 billion for a roll of toilet paper in Zimbabwe, it would be cheaper to wipe your a$$ with money in Harare these days, but hey look on the bright side, SOME RICH BLACK PEOPLE HAVE LAND!

If you require any source or citation for anything I have said in my above post I can quite happily provide the information for you, I was careful to use no mainstream media sources such as the BBC or any American news media in my little composition, although I’m sure anything I said to you would be white imperialist colonial propaganda.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels. I’m sure Mugabe wishes he had said it.

Here is £1 or ZWD$396,739,307.89 to buy your genius economist president (whom you obviously worship) a clue.

Glyph you are a good analysts, Zimbabwe is sure down and Britain is up economically so we must all take lessons from Great Britain, right? I see some similarities in the thinking of British and Zimbabwean democracy. Zimbabwe and Britain are democracies with the current constitution of Zimbabwe having been drafted and agreed first in Britain at Lancaster ’78. We share the same doctrine on separation of powers, the legislature, the executive and the judiciary independence. Zimbabwe government ministers and ZANu MPs have been prosecuted for corruption (from Willowvale scandals Nyagumbo/Kangai/Nkala files, corruption-Kuruneris to political violence-Chinamasas) Newspapers are free to criticise and even to lampoon the government, political satire is accepted as a form of criticism also – The Zimbabwe independent, Financial gazette, The Zimbabwe Standard newspapers and some small prints are very aggressive in attacking government here. Zimbabweans are politically active with everyone above the age of 16 free to vote anywhere, since 1980 Zimbabweans have been peacefully going to the polls to elect their political and local government leaders without fail or hindrance. This year Zimbabwean went to choose their political leaders in a peaceful environment with no leader being able to garner the 50% + 1 vote required to form new government. On June 27 2008 there will be a run off on two leading presidential candidates. The opposition candidate is leading on the initial elections. I am afraid your country Britain, is being led today by an unelected leader who most definitely will not make it if he is to go for elections in 2010 as the polls indicate and from what local elections showed recently. History will again record your country as notorious in being led by unelected and unwanted leaders, remember john Major. Zimbabwe was never run by an unelected leader for a single day yet your unelected leader Brown is the most vocal to denounce and call for regime change in my country. Our country, unlike yours is not a monarchy. The existence of an anointed family under Queen Elizabeth is an affront to our laissez-faire perceptions; we believe all people must have equal opportunities with no rituals afforded to any living mortal but to God. Your Queen performs rituals for your nation by knighting individuals and other activities shrouded in secrecy. I therefore challenge your country as anti-liberal and call upon your government to accord protagonists for a British liberal nation without a queen to be respected. To my understanding the chairperson of the anti-Queen movement happen to be a British black dreadlocked whose blood decendency will never be considered for royal family status. Your country is therefore racist in the context of its establishment. Zimbabwe respects the United Nations Charter of 1947 as most of the world does except your country that participate in UN non-sanctioned wars of Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe no country should wage wars in foreign countries but it seems you applaud prosecution of illegal british soldiers in foreign land under the 1998 Human Rights Acts yet your country should not sanction foreign wars at all. Let those soldiers be procecuted by national governments under the Human Right acts. Your country is one of the richest in the world while mine is the poorest in the world, and this is not by accident or sheer hard work. Our logic here take into cognition our involvement and contributions to the British economic establishment as inhuman and having been executed by barbaric Britons of yesteryears. My continent, Africa has been involved in British enslavement where non-paid slave labour increased industrial production while our people were regarded to be worse than dogs. We did not go to England to sell slaves but we were invaded and later colonized with almost 2/3 of the world under British Empire. Britain therefore became economically great by appropriating mineral resources and free labour-force from my ancestors in more than 100 years. This is how Britain became industrialised Great Britain. We were forced to participate as colony forces in the first and Second World War to defend the British from the onslaught of Hitler and Mussolini. It is therefore unreasonable for any British to claim economic might without accepting responsibilities of the horrendous past that made Britain great. Britain becomes the wealthiest country under Queen Elizabeth who, today, owns about 7% of the land on earth making her the richest women ever to grace the planet. Today, as you rightly say, the emphasis of Britain is to consolidate its wealth by emphasizing its business in administration and banking. Do you wonder why your government can’t let go their currency to the Euro? Britain has the most aggressive protectionist policies of its banking system and ownership though it would want my country to open up its mining resources to free market forces with foreign domination. With negligible manufacturing base and only being capable of service enterprise the British establishment is under threat if all land under Queen Elizabeth is repossessed by former colonies and they channel their mineral resources and service requirements to competitive industrial markets of Eastern Europe and Asia. My good Glyph, your country has invested heavily in multinational business corporations listed on the London Stock Exchange that are being challenged to discharge at least 51% of shares to ordinary Zimbabweans here. This will certainly mean LSE will not be a powerhouse of neo-appropriation of common-wealth (British dominated) economies in a distant future. The commercial modus operandi for Britain in former colonies is to establish “friendly” governments that agree to your terms of administration (governance) thereby making headway for service and mining enterprise. Botswana and Zambia have indeed become extensions of British business much to your benefit pal. When in Zimbabwe they say Gordon Brown and Blair are trying to protect their kith and Kin it is not blasphemy, you should forever be thankful to your unelected Gordon Brown for keeping Zimbabwe under the negative spotlight, denouncing and demonising Mugabe, promoting non-trade for a Mugabe regime that annihilate the Zimbabwean economy and its people. It is proper for Blair to announce in your august parliament that they are promoting regime change in Zimbabwe by working with an opposition MDC and NGOs that seem to listen to your concerns. You don’t work with NGOs and a poor political party over the phone; you financially prop up their projects. Zimbabwe is a hot potato to the British establishment, why then can you explain the furor about a miserable country in your political leadership. I am amused by your idea about public accounts of your government; can you therefore provide me with public accounts of your M16 operations? Surely if Mugabe has the riches in your banks and real estates please make them public it and give them to charity as he ordered Tony Blair 7 years ago. I wish to discuss with you Glyph, you seem to be a very good, blessed man in your personal resume. I wish all the best of you and your family. We have our disaproval of mugabe but you can not help us now, we will solve our differences internally or with the regional assistence.

Onesoulzim1, What a waste of good ink. All that writing but no substance. It clearly shows you are trying too hard to sell yourself as being of the caliber of the likes of Glyph. No fat chance. You are not only boring us with Britain's past and present history, but your comparisons of their democracy to that of Zimbabwe's under Mugabe's tyrannical rule is laughable. You go on to talk of freedom of speech and the press in Zimbabwe - who are you kidding? YOU just lampoon Mugabe for what he is, as a dictator, see what you will get! You know very well Mugabe's thugs, with his blessings, are violent and are beating and killing those who voted for the opposition. Democracy? If Britain is of no consequence to Zimbabwe, why worry? Not so long ago I watched Mugabe on television snapping his finger and saying that Prime Minister Gordon Brown is just a little dot,and I thought - you twit! Gordon Brown has greater power than you will ever have. When Tony Blair resigned, Gordon Brown assumed his position until the next elections when the British people will choose their leader. That's democracy at play. As for sanctions - those were targeted sanctions focused on Mugabe and Mugabe ONLY, where the restrictions on his overseas travels were imposed and where his assets and stashes of cash were frozen. No Western country has placed a comprehensive embargo on Zimbabwe. So you ask "Why is Zimbabwe so broke? Ask Mugabe.

kjrs, try going around the world with a Zimbabwean passport and see how you go. I have so much problems getting visa's on my travels so how can you say only Mugabe is being targeted? Those so called 'smart santions' are not smart at all because they also target ordinary Zimbabwean's.

Kubatana, this is a new one to me. "Hey everyone, most of the world has imposed sanctions on Kubatana!" If you are 'smart' then you would know that Smart sanctions only target, amongst other things, people who have OBJECTIONABLE behaviour such as Mugabe. So have you too been misbehaving? Then the countries are smart enough not to let you in. If you continue supporting a corrupt government, then those are the 'perks' that you will get as a private citizen. If you want embrace from other countries, then remove tyranny in your country. personally I laud them.

Onesoul, unfortunately you've demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the UK in your long message. For example, the Queen is not the richest woman on the planet. Take a look at this now 8 year old article, for example:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/826486.stm

You might want to look at Forbes for the latest wealth list.

You complain about Zim being involved on the British side of WW2. Hitler was busy exterminating the Jews, what do you think he would have done to black people?

And as krjs120 pointed out Brown is only in charge as the Labour party head now that Blair stepped down. I have to agree with him, your post was full of words but no substance.

You guessed one aspect of my job onesoul, I am partly an analyst. Britain is no so far up, we are approaching a recession which we do not expect to leave until 2010 when the level of wages catches up with property prices; we know this because the Bank of England is independent and fixes its own rates without input from the government.

You see similarities between our democracies, I don’t, we have a queen who is the head of state and a prime minister. You had a head of state and a prime minister; if I remember rightly he abolished the office of prime minister and decided he was going to be president? We have no written constitution; we have conventions and constitutional statutes. Your judiciary is independent but the Attorney General has just been sacked by Mugabe? We have an Independent Judicial appointments committee. Your constitution appears to be elastic or whatever the President wants it to be.

Davison Maruziva, the editor of the Zimbabwe Standard was arrested on May 8th, Howard Burditt a Reuters journalist and a Zibabwean national was arrested for using a phone, ZCTU Secretary General Wellington Chibebe and the union's president, Lovemore Matombo are also in custody accused of all things, “Uttering Falsehoods” I wasn’t aware that was an offence?. Leo Mugabe is on record threatening 200 journalists against forming an independent media council.

Here you cannot vote until the age of 18, I dispute the idea that you have been able to peacefully go to the polls since 1980 and facts which I shall not deign to go into which are a matter of record will bear me out.

I certainly feel that elections this year were free and fair, up to the point where ZANU PF lost control of the lower house. At that point it all started to unravel for them and they became very proactive in making sure that the results stayed under wraps because they realised the results were disastrous. ZANU PF has challenged 105 results I believe on the grounds of alleged corruption but they will happily invite the same monitors back to oversee the elections now they have educated the opposition?

We have a population of around 90 million people, we don’t have to wait for election results, they are available the next day at the latest. My country is being led by a Member of Parliament who was elected by his constituency and in turn chosen to lead the political party of which he is a member by the other members of his party. We vote for parties on a first past the post system here we do not vote for a leader.

You are correct I live in a monarchy, My head of state is one of the checks and balances in the separation of powers and the sovereignty of Parliament, an Act of the Queen in Parliament is the highest authority in the land and it represents not the views of the queen but the entire legislature and executive in agreement affirmed by Royal Assent. It seems to have worked since 1707, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. When you refer to the anti monarchist with the dreadlocks I presume you are referring to the poet Benjamin Zephania? I have read his work and he is indeed a character, he visited my daughters’ school once for a poetry reading, I believe he is Jamaican and he speaks of Marcus Garvey the same way you speak of Mugabe, he is not very credible.

You speak of the Queen giving knighthoods, the Peerages Act means there is no mystery at all surrounding knighthoods. Why is it they call your Presidents wife Lady Grace? OH YES BECAUSE YOUR PRESIDENT IS SIR ROBERT MUGABE KNIGHT COMMANDER OF THE ORDER OF THE BATH!

You may respect the 1947 charter however that isn’t the same as abiding by it. I cannot ever conceive of my government sending an infantry regiment to Birmingham and killing 20,000 people as your president did with the Korean trained 5th Brigade in Matebeleland.

Our involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be an issue for you. Operations in Iraq are authorised under UN reolutions 678 and 687 respectively. The operation in Afghanistan is a NATO operation, as I am sure you are aware when one nation in NATO is attacked then the rest are honour bound and treaty bound to assist, also under UN resolutions 1422 and 1444 .

Zimbabwe does not believe in foreign wars at all? So was that a party you went to in the Democratic Republic of Congo? It sure looked like a war to me.

We prosecute our soldiers under the human rights act because we observe the human rights act, we wouldn’t deport someone to a country to stand trial where the death penalty was on the table even if they were a national of that country, nor would we allow our troops to stand trial in a country where they would not be subject to the human rights act.

Queen Elizabeth is currently worth $420million and owns no foreign land. She is a mere pauper compared to the $3.2 billion amassed by your President.

28 years ago following the Lancaster House agreement you had a stable and fully functional economy with a healthy balance of trade both import and export. You bought from us and we bought from you. Your economy has spiralled since 2000 and yet the only people to blame are people outside your country. None of your elected officials can be blamed it is all the fault of white western potting and machinations, if your President reviles white people so much why does he hang out with the likes of Andrew Smith, Bredenkamp and van Hoogstraten? These people are like maggots and vultures they flock to countries like Sierra Leone and Rwanda to pick the meat which is left from the bones of countries which have imploded they are mercenaries, arms dealers and carpet-baggers. Their appearance in Zimbabwe is a sign of trouble, but not to your President, van Hoogstraten, “lent” him £10million.

As I said in my first tedious post, I have never enslaved anyone, slavery has been gone for a long time and it does you or Africa no favours to sit and bleat about slavery, no-one living owns slaves, maybe some black leaders in their blood diamond mines own slaves but no white people own other people. The Chinese have a slavery problem but your leadership get on quite well with them.

Maybe you were forced to participate in WW2 as colony forces but what do you think Hitler would have done to you if you hadn’t and he made it to Zimbabwe from North Africa? You don’t look very Aryan you know!

We are the least protectionist in the banking system, the Midland Bank was taken over by the Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corp and the insurance arm of the Royal Bank of Scotland is now owned by the Chinese and The Abbey is now part of Santander. I’m not seeing any protectionism on the other hand your Dr Gono has, “bought” 75% of the post office savings bank, do you think he is going to trade those shares publicly?

You misunderstand the concept of the London Stock Exchange, the LSE cannot be forced to discharge 1% of it’s shares let alone 51%, it doesn’t actually own the shares which are traded they are owned by other people, the LSE is just a market. I’m sorry if this sounds condescending but I feel as though I need to spell it out to you too Onesoul.

The commercial modus operandi for any business concern is to seek out new opportunities for trade; we make no apologies for being the trading partner of many countries around the world. I would like to know the kith and kin Gordon Brown is protecting in Zimbabwe I would be interested to hear who they are?

Mugabe needs no help to be demonised, he does a fine job by himself, your country hasn’t enjoyed clean water for over 2 years in certain areas but you can relax because your police have state of the art anti-riot equipment. PRIORITIES MAN, PRIORITIES!

We are interested in the affairs in Zimbabwe because we are to the best of our ability a civilized and humanitarian country for all our faults. The aid we sent to Myanmar following hurricane Nargis, the aid and personnel we have sent to China in the aftermath of the earthquake speak for that. I’m sure there are some who will see an ulterior motive of us colonising both those places but then what did they send? I’d like to see some proof of Britain’s plotting in Zimbabwe other than a speech by Mugabe.

The furore regarding your leadership and ours is simple. Zimbabwe was a British colony; like it or loathe it. Your history and ours is inextricably linked and nothing Mr Mugabe or Kubatana can say to change that. We want Zimbabwe to do well and prosper no matter what the mouthpieces on here say. I have said it before and I’ll say it again I wish the people of Zimbabwe everything they would wish for themselves. I’m sure Mr Mugabe would like nothing more than a stop on reporting from Zimbabwe and no questions asked and an end to debate on the subject altogether. Then he can rule a closed state and go back to year zero…..just like Pol-Pot.

I’m glad you find my idea of the Public Accounts Committee amusing. I found your question hilarious. The government has to publish what it spends and where it spent it, it’s the law. However: as for MI6, if you can show me another country on earth which published the financials of its secret intelligence services I’ll be more than a little surprised. Anyone who read my post could understand I was talking about public officials. * I found that question very funny btw; really they wouldn’t be very secret intelligence services would they? *

The frozen funds of your public officials are exactly that, FROZEN. If they are to be a matter of legal process then to disclose them or to tamper with them is sub-judice and would result in that evidence being inadmissible in court. Not many lawyers in your neighbourhood?

What regional assistance have you had so far? Mbeki? With friends like that who needs enemies?

I’d like to conclude by once again wishing all Zimbabweans, peace prosperity, independence and harmony. Lord alone knows they deserve it more than most. The truth will set them free; of this I have no doubt.

I was wondering where the MDC actually met around here? I mean the way Kubatana talks you’d think the entire UK were card carrying members. The great majority of the UK couldn’t find Zimbabwe on a map let alone know anything about its political parties.

To all who are yawning, I will keep my posts brief in future, I promise *laughing*

Thanks Glyph. Let us educate each other about good life as we see it. We are bound to like each other if we respect everyone’s concerns. It is clear that some of us are saying Mugabe must go like a terrorist leader yet we had him for decades with praise. Some are saying let us respect the dear good old statesman and have him relinquish the reigns of power with the same praise we gave him during his tenure. The country’s image is at stake and it’s for taking by those who, for their entire history, have not seen us as human equals. Some of us are saying Mugabe is right by taking land and providing it to the landless while advocating for a 51% indigenization of local companies. Some just think Tsvangirai is just not a good candidate for continued leadership given the history of the country yet he is the only alternative now. Is Tsvangirai an accident or a pawn? Some ask the question should we promote a food riot student leader in high school for a headmaster. My problem is when good men specifically from Britain and Australia want to teach us democracy here yet much of our problems are directly linked to their inhuman actions against us and now they exacerbate our already critical situation by using their economic might to manipulate feeble minds in our midst. Humanism and democracy cannot be ascribed to Britain for mere reason that the British Empire is now rich, as for us, to be poor does not mean we can’t teach imperial Britain civilization and human rights. Glyph, again your installment is just good quality, it makes me swallow my pride. Please get it that the British monarchy is racist per se, Queen Elizabeth owns about 7% of all land on earth now making her the richest in terms of land resources and not bank accounts. The British Establishment has gone skin deeper, it is not about individuals like you want Mugabe to be, it is simply its monetary institution, its body politic, the army and the corporate body serving under an imposed racist head of state. I imagine river Thames overflowing like a tsunami with slave and colonial African blood lost in the name of your majestic Queen. In Zim only those who commit crime are arrested no matter your position and status however, unlike your country, we never had political prisoners. The $3.2Billion amassed by Mugabe needs elaboration if not one of your good lies, please take it, make it public and give it to your charities as Mugabe instructed Tony Blair long ago. Mugabe is no saint if he has that kind of money and your government does not offer it to charity then it is your government in breach of international law. Africans do not defend Africa from Britain; Hitler wanted to enslave his white European cousins just like your likes enslaved ours. WW2 was about defending Britain, why must I imagine Hitler in Zimbabwe when his horrendous atrocities were repeated by the British through colonialism in Zimbabwe therefore it is about the yesteryear British barbarians I stand to quiz. The British market (LSE) serves its citizens largely from corporate resources stolen from neo-colonies. Our support for Mugabe has dwindles because of lack of priorities and letting corruption, we should have taken our land back without negotiating with former colonial masters. Mugabe and his wife are Sir and lady respectively because of Mugabe’s life time achievements and the way Grace behaves as first lady today; it is never in our mind a reason that your Queen bestowed Mugabe with the royal order. We don’t care about the order of the bath here. Please have Diana with any order and call her Lady according to your Queen, here we look at moral character to earn ladyship; it is where we are so different in thinking. I wish to elaborate about our land program and how your settler kith and kin abused our reconciliation of 1980. I wish to discuss about white collar slavery in Britain today. I would want to write about our desires of a Zimbabwe life post Mugabe without political interference from Britain. I wish to discuss about British propaganda against the ordinary Zimbabwean here. It is our idea about international involvement to our economic growth I want to discuss with you just like you have your China Towns and Arab Moslem communities. I want to perambulate about British and America’s sponsored economic sanction hard hitting our ordinary man here. Glyph, thanks for letting me discuss with you. My opinion still remains, Britain is not the only rich country that can reprimand Zimbabwe but why you? AND YOU AGAIN! Let us correct our mistakes as we learn and move forward, the British involvement in Zimbabwe is suspicious and given the history, it is devilish indeed. Thank you for wishing our people the best, I also wish the British citizens more God fearing prosperity.

glyf,save all your negitive essays for mdc meetings. This is a very straight forward case - empower black Zimbabweans with their land,lift your illigal santions and we will turn Zimbabwe's fortunes around within three years. No need for your long speeches to justify why Mugabe must go.

90% of the land is in the hands of blacks, and there are no sanctions. So where's Zimbabwe's fortunes?

Even with a change of government it is going to take a LOT more than three years to turn rebuild Zimbabwe. Look at how long it has taken Zambia, Mozambique and others to rebuild.

Poor Kuba, can't see past the propaganda.

mindy,you talking double dutch again. If Zambia and Mozambique can bounce back there is no reason Zimbabwe cannot. Zimbabwe have a hard working educated workforce so it will not take long to bounce back. Zimbabwean's are the most literate African on the continent thanks to Mugabe's ZANU PF.

Bounce back? You call decades BOUNCING back? Even now there is so much infrastructure in Zambia and Mozambique that is still not rebuilt.

It takes years to build a house, but just days to knock one down.

As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day".

Can you give me details of the sanctions in place affecting average Zimbabweans? I would be interested to hear what they are and who initiated them. Really I am very interested? Please dont even start with ZIDERA because Zimbabwe was already in arrears to the IMF when that was passed. If you consider, "clean up your human rights record and we'll lend you more money" sanctions then so be it.

GLY, if you dont know about the illigal sanctions in place then there's no point explaining anything to you. You have to be as thick as two short planks to think these illigal sanctions are not hurting all Zimbabwean's.

Where's your evidence Kuba? Where's your proof? You keep saying sanctions, sanctions, sanctions yet you have never offered anything to back up that claim. Typical!

You must be thick as two short planks if you think we can't see straight through you!

just give me details of the sanctions Kubatana it's a simple request.

You have the land ,but where is your wealth? Oh, you mean the scraps that you grapple for when Mugabe and his fat morons throw at your feet as they drive by.If as you previously stated that Zimbabwe has 'cheap minerals' then I am afraid you will never smell the wealth of the land, besides, Mugabe is squandering the little you have left.You don't have to go very far to see which Africans are prospering. Look at Tanzania - they are working the land - growing cocoa and other products and exporting to Switzerland for chocolate making. Others such as the Cameroon for instance, are growing and exporting barley and sorghum to Britain and other countries. So what is Zimbabwe doing? Nothing because the land reform program has been so mismanaged and the country is so broke with chronic shortages of food,fuel and foreign currency. It pains to see people who are supposed to be literate and yet know so little about progress. People like Kubatana spend their days with their heads in the sand and wailing about the past and only experience progress by riding on the coat tails of the onward good planners and thinkers.

Glyph there is no need to apologize to anyone for either the length or content of what you wrote. On my part - I loved it. Who you are, what you are about,and the contrasts between democracy and tyranny are well revealed. I value your opinions and those of the likes of Mindpower and Befree very much and always look forward to your responses especially to the racist twits who cry about yesterday, and do nothing to improve today for tomorrow. Thanks.

Glyph & kjrs120 well done. Both were very well said. If none of that gets through these morons heads nothing will. I see one of the cabinet ministers from the South Africa has spoken out about ZANU PF and how they should step down. Maybe that is a start of things to come from South Africa. Well lets hope it is anyway.

kjrs,we have some of the land. We need to take more. The wealth will come,there is no great rush - it's a learning process that you white's also went through when you first arrived in Africa. So just chill,we'll get there.

Over 90% is "some" of the land? Stop making excuses and look at the reality of the situation.

Kubatana, I applaud you for recognizing the fact that you have the land, in fact that you own the land,and that wealth will come some day. Zimbabwe has so many different elevations, climates and types of soil that so many foods etc can be grown. All it needs is the know-how and new land developments and for people not to be pushing and shoving for what others have developed and then sit on their haunches and do nothing with it. Recently, I was given an amarula liqueur from South Africa which is made from amarula fruits. Wonderful. They are delicious in themselves and I remember as a child, sitting and cracking them under their shady tree and their nuts are out of this world. Zimbabwe is blessed with so many wild fruits that with some imagination so much can be produced. I don't even have to mention the various minerals and gems. So Kubatana, you have everything at your disposal for prosperity - get going. Now all you need is a leader that will not just fill his own pockets and those of his chosen few and leave the rest to go begging in other peoples' country. Yes I mean Mugabe. I look forward to finding food stuffs 'made in Zimbabwe by Kubatana & Company' one day. Even if it's just a packet of amcimbi - it's a start. Just last bit of advice: whilst you are fulfilling your need to 'take more land' make sure you are not cutting your nose to spite your own face.

kjrs, it's all in one's way of thinking. It is so typical of you and your cronies to want to exploit a countries natural wild fruits. You see all you see is dollar signs nothing else. Now we black Zimbabwean's have a genuine deep love for the land and see those wildfruit as a source of nutrition for humans and more importantly the wildlife. We could never commercialise wildfruit at the expense of the enviroment. This is proof of what i said in an earlier post "Everything you touch you destroy"

Kuba, every time you post something here you confirm to us that you are completely incapable of thinking or doing any sort of research.

http://www.amarula.co.za/za/conserve/protecting%5Fwildlife/

Educate yourself!

Mindpower and Be Free, can you fathom Kubatana? What I said about Zimbabwe was complimentary and a message of hope. I am beginning to believe the midwife really must have dropped him on his head the day he was born and his brain ceased to grow there after. It is certainly all in one's way of thinking,and the way Kubatana interprets things he will always remain the static, ignorant one, whilst other literate Zimbabweans are flying high. Kubatana, from where do you deduct I suggested exploitation of the land and its wild fruits? Did I say cut down trees sand cause soil erosion? Did I say burn the forest to the ground and deprive wild life of its food? Did I say hack down trees indiscriminately and make charcoal leaving the land bare? Have all the animals died in South Africa because the government is trying to help poor villagers to earn an income by harvesting amarula? On the contrary. Those villagers treasure the amarula trees as a source of feeding their families. Each time you drink Mazoe orange juice - are you 'exploiting' the orange tree? It is obvious you do not know the difference between harvesting the land and exploiting the land.You are also a racist under misplaced patriotism. You speak of 'black Zimbabweans' loving the land.

The land means everything on it - the people too whom Mugabe is killing. Where is your love for them? you are forgetting that without the white man and his conservation methods, you would not have any wild life or fruits left. You inherited a well run, well maintained, self sufficient and bountiful Zimbabwe from Ian Smith, but what have you done with it? Where is 'the love?' It took a handful of white farmer to not only feed the nation but export too.You could afford to have sadza three times a day. The white farmers did not take the farms with them.They are still there - what have you done with those farms? Growing trees and weeds. And by the way, those white farmers are as Zimbabwean as you are. How many many of you 'black Zimbabweans' have ancestors from Malawi, Zambia,and other African countries and yet enjoy full rights as Zimbabweans to take land and do whatever, yet when it come to whites born of many generations of Zimbabweans, they are discriminated against.Like I said before, if you insist the white farmers' ancestors 'stole' the land then every black Zimbabwean including Mugabe and all his palaces and stashes of money, must give the land back to the SAN PEOPLE because they were there first.Fair?

Well said. No doubt Kuba will try twisting everything you said to mean that you hate Zimbabwe.

Mazoe orange juice is an introduced citrus fruit fool. The point was the abundent wild fruit that the wildlife eat. Your theory of the white man conserving wildlife is bull****. Zimbabwean's were living in hamony with nature long before the white man got there. Your method of conservation is really exploitation. You wiped a large % of the African wild dog because of your farm fences and culling. Other animals like Lions,cheetah and Hyena numbers have also declined aswell. So dont even talk about conservation.

Kuba, how come you didn't respond on the whole piece that kjrs120 wrote? Oh sorry, after all your other responses i can guess why you didn't. Because again you don't have a relevant response. Silly me for not seeing this earlier.

Safari parks are exploitation? What rubbish you write.

And it's wrong to plant and harvest a fruit because it's wild? Every food product was wild once Kuba. What are wheat and rice? Wild grasses!

Well Said kjrs120! Again im not sure he will grasp it though.

Kub, yes blacks have some of the land. Yes they need more. Yes the wealth will come. But the wrong Blacks have the land. Mugabes cronies are living on these farms and not doing a thing to make the best use of it. No they dont need to "TAKE" more, it needs to be handed over once the new farmer has been trained in how to use the land properly. No They "Wont" just 'get there' in the current state Zim is in. They will only get there once the economy and country is stable. With the inflation rate at 185,000%, 85% unemployment and the current party in Parliament stability will never happen. Now see if you can grasp that.

befree, all blacks are the wrong one's to you. Why dont you help the Aboriginal's in your Australia? It took your government over thirty years to admit that they were wrong in taking black children away from their parents - Why didn't you help them? There is so much more people like you can do to improve the black/white tension in your own country than being consumed with Zimbabwe.

Are you going to post anything of substance regarding Zimbabwe any time soon? Independent verifiable facts would be a nice change from evil white colonials blah land blah lying BBC blah illegal sanctions paranoia slavery rhodies racists blah blah blah.

Hahaha, excellent Glyph. Im not sure if Kuba will though.

Kuba Kuba Kuba,what a suprise. All blacks are hey? well how about you go back through my posts and tell me when i have ever said a racist remark about any person of any colour. Again you have resorted to presumptions about myself. i will only say one thing on your remark about Australia as i have explained everything to you before. Our government have "admitted it" and have been working since to late 60's to rectify their mistakes. Again, please have a relevant opinion/answer/facts when replying to the article or anyone else's posts. you look like a moron once again!

Same old Kuba, accusing people of hating Zimbabwe or being racists based on nothing more than his hatred for whites. If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.

befree the fact is that you are a white aussie who has so much to say about Zimbabwe - you are infact a know it all. Are you trying to tell us all that your keen interest in Zimbabwean affairs is because you LOVE black people????? Like i said, try helping the long suffering blacks in your own country and stay out of Zimbabwean affairs! What about all the black deaths in custody in Australia? And about the majority of Aboriginal males in your jails? There is sooo much that you could do.

Kuba, again, you cannot see past colour. How ignorant are you? Another irrelevant answer by yourself. You really are racist. If that is what your answer is going to be all the time, Give up because you sound like a broken record. I don't have so much to say, all we are saying on here is commenting on the article at hand or having an opinion on other comments which as you have noticed have been backed with facts. Every time the facts come out you seem to fail with no response. your only defence comes in the form of putting words in others mouths and attacking peoples opinions with your race hate comments. Now lets see where your answer will come from, will it be a comment on another country instead of the country at hand or will it be something to do with the colour of ones skin? odds are 50/50 at this stage!

So Kubatana, has it made you feel intelligent calling me a fool? Talk of the kettle calling the pot black. It appears the only thing in my post you did not grasp was the conservation. Now tell me, if, as you suggest, whites did not care about conservation, how come all animals were not extinct considering the number of years of colonization? Do you think people traveled the world over to Africa just to see mbeba scurrying around? Africa was literally put on the map because of good conservation by whites who also built all the infrastructure and introduced tourism and safaris. By tourists flocking, the African governments not only had much needed revenue but the local citizens had employment, cities grew and the countries flourished. The good thing is that tourism is still good in some of the African countries, but you cannot tell me that it is still booming in Zimbabwe. Why? Because of Mugabe, what used to be a beautiful and well run country is now a heap of dung. And today with no source of protein as beef and even chicken are so unattainable, the animals do not stand a chance, and who is poaching them? Black Zimbabweans because there are no jobs. They are killing the rhinoceros for its horn to extinction just to satisfy the insatiable appetite of the Chinese who idiotically believe the rhino horn is an aphrodisiac. Whites are no longer there, so if the animal species are decreasing in Zimbabwe, then blame your Mugabe and people like yourself who praise his every action because if he can kill a human being in cold blood, then the animal does not stand a chance. To try and save the elephant, the west has banned the trading of ivory, but guess what - your government and people like you don't care. Elephants are being killed to supply the Chinese with ivory as well. Perhaps the dead elephants are part of the source of revenue that buys Mugabe his guns. Coming to the "African dogs" you mentioned, I don't think you know what you are talking about because here again ,just as you did not know the difference between exploitation and harvesting of the land , you do not know the difference between indiscriminate killing and culling . I suggest you don't use words unless you know their proper meaning.