Africans who have been brainwashed for years by the Western corporate media must understand that the current crisis in Zimbabwe can in no way be viewed as a “post electoral crisis”, such as the one witnessed in Kenya early on this year, or as issue of “bad governance”. It can only be regarded as a "proxy war" waged by Britain and its allies against Zimbabwe which is not a "client state". The "Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001" which was passed by the United States Congress is an “act of war” which has effectively condemned 13 million Africans in Zimbabwe to severe economic suffering over the past six years, as the country is unable to borrow or get any credit or debt cancellation on the international markets.

People in this forum who claim that sanctions against Zimbabwe do not exist are probably relying on the lies of Jendayi Frazer,US under secretary of state for African affairs)who was claiming on CNN 2 days ago that there are only "targeted sanctions" against Zimbabwe which do not affect the people.

More details on this bill which was drafted with the assistance of those who fund the MDC can be found on the website of the US Congress at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011221-15.html.

No people who claim there are no sanctions are relying on official UN documents, not the word of some US politician.

Great one!

When the west undermined Mugabe, by prevailing on companies and other countries not to invest in Zimbabwe, thereby destroying the country's economy, what did they think they were doing? Even right now Gordon Brown and others are trying to prevail on Anglo American not to invest $400 million in platinum mining in Zimbabwe. Anglo American is resisting, and rightly so.

Isn't it obvious that it was only because they inflicted this hardship on Zimbabweans that Zanu-PF lost the election? However, notwithstanding the 'playing field' that was not level, they've accepted the results and now they want to fight the second round of the presidential poll, and people who think Africans are children, morons or idiots, are saying the elections will not be free and fair? What are they smoking?

When Mugabe was undermined, was the election free and fair? These white idiots have invalidated any talk of free and fair elections in Zimbabwe, period. When they tilted the playing field in favor of one candidate there was nothing wrong, nobody should say a word, because they think they are god. Well, little Osamas are being born to continue these types of struggle. Win or lose, Mugabe will die fighting, as that is what we expect of our liberation heros.

"Win or lose, Mugabe will die fighting, as that is what we expect of our liberation heros."

So you expect your "heros" to fight their own people to stay in power? What an idiot!

As for free and fair elections it is YOU who must be smoking something if you think that's what they would be. Even African leaders who have never critisized Mugabe are now saying that the run-off wouldn't be free and fair. Are they all "western puppets" now?

How would these "African leaders" know whether the elections are "free and fair" since they don't live in Zimbabwe nor were they there as observers. Oh I know, they have the reports, staged and historical, by the western media, right? We know that they don't lie and distort things don't we? Or maybe they got their inside information from MDC officials and members. If Mr. Mugabe and his party have been stealing elections for the last 28 or 8 years (depending on the western source), why didn't they just steal the most critical one of all on March 29th. In fact if Mr. Mugabe is such a "murdering dictator" as western media keeps convincing those with low mentality and aversion to truth, why was Ian Smith allowed to die a natural death in Zimbabwe and the West's candidate for president was allowed to run around the world calling for foreign intervention in his country and still was allowed back into the country to run for president. Do the contradictions of what is being said and what is the actual truth ever register with you? Indeed if Mr. Mugabe were half the things that western media says about him there would not have been any runoff for the western candidate to pull out off 5 days before the elections nor would there still be 30 - 40 thousand whites still living there. As to whether your "African leaders are...", if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... You know what I'm saying.

Destroying a country is not diffucult. Just give it to Rob and he will show you how make all the residents of a country very poor and fill his pockets more than any other leader??? in the world!

this is a waste of time...i dnt know y they lisned to a south african while their president is the one supporting mugabe....innocent people are dying and many will die after the election results...pliz use force to remove mugabe..i personally dont tolerate what he is doing..he should be arrested for what he said that when he loose it s war...he already said it.so why waste time and let innocent people die!!mugabe should die plizzzz!!!

This would make Joseph Goebbels sick.

I find the article somewhat terrifying. Comments such as "It is a big victory for us." "...the predominance of the Selous Scouts in the MDC" etc etc are so far removed from reality one has to wonder about the sanity of the Mugabe regime.

The cold hard fact is that the UN Security Council was unanimous in blaming the violence and collapse of the presidential run-off on Mugabe and his cohorts. This means that China, Russia and South Africa are now on the public record as distancing themselves from the Butcher of Harare.

This article, which presumably has the approval of the JOC and Politburo, suggests that paranoia and a near complete loss of reality is governing Zimbabwe at present. How can a way forward be found in these circumstances. It is the Fuhrer bunker in the last week of April 1945 all over again.

"The cold hard fact is that the UN Security Council was unanimous in blaming the violence and collapse of the presidential run-off on Mugabe and his cohorts. This means that China, Russia and South Africa are now on the public record as distancing themselves from the Butcher of Harare. This article, which presumably has the approval of the JOC and Politburo, suggests that paranoia and a near complete loss of reality is governing Zimbabwe at present".

Not according to UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, who issued a statement on Monday, nor the UN's 'top official in the Southern African nation, the Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator Agustino Zacarias' who expressed his concerns only last month over...,

'...rising political violence in Zimbabwe, allegedly perpetrated by security forces, youth militias, war veterans and gangs of supporters of both the ruling ZANU-PF party and the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC)'.

It is difficult to present oneself as fair, impartial and all-seeing when one doesn't accept the basic premise and fact that violence in Zimbabwe is being perpetrated by two opposing parties but instead only condemns one side. What you call paranoia, the UN have published as fact.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=26658&Cr=zimbabwe&Cr1=

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=27111&Cr=Zimbabwe&Cr1=

I think its a pretty simple case of one side perpetrating violence and the other retaliating. If there was no violence from the ZANUPF thugs, then there would be no need for the MDC to retaliate. And of course there is no need for the MDC to start anything as they have the majority and would be happy to sit through and win the election fairly and squarely. Its the Mugabe government that has been foreced to intimidate voters through rough house tatics to intimidate voters to get their own way. And the MDC have born the brunt of it. And of course its only human nature to retaliate. But the level of violence from the ZANU PF far dwarfs that from the MDC. Its all quite simple really. So the UN have it spot on.

Selector - read the resolution that was passed by the UN Security Council and then read the way in which The Herald reported it. There is a deliberate endeavour by The Herald/JOC/Politburo to misrepresent what the Security Council actually said. It is no wonder that The Herald decided not to print the resolution in its entirety - their story would not make any sense if they had.

If they want to argue that violence has been perpertrated by both sides and quote other sources in support of that argument they are entitled to do so. However to lie about what was said in the Security Council resolution only shows them up for the fools that they are.

katz

I appreciate what you say about the British-led (for they are currently heading the rotating Council at this time) Security Council resolution and you're right.

The Council was damning in its condemnation of the Zim government and, I concede, rightly so for the government should know and behave better than other rabbles like MDC activists or even Zanu-PF activists.

I look forward to the outcome and report of the UN Envoy presently in Zimbabwe and in Zimbabwe since before the Council's statement.

With all the 'statements' from the ZANU-PF representatives it would appear they are all wearing blinkers and are incapable of understanding and accepting the facts. What would be the reaction of the AU and SADC if Mugabe was white?

It is very unfortunate that the rivalry of the West versus Russia, China and South Africa's African National Congress's liberation struggle links are standing in the way of a real solution to the crisis in Zimbabwe.The problem can not be dealt with but can only worsen the situation as The Mugabe regime takes advantage of the stalemate between the super powers in the top UN Security circle. Please ignore your past deferences and avoid a catastrophic genocide in Zimbabwe by being objective in dealing with peace in Africa.

It is very unfortunate that the rivalry of the West versus Russia, China and South Africa's African National Congress's liberation struggle links are standing in the way of a real solution to the crisis in Zimbabwe.The problem can not be dealt with, but these delays worsen the situation as The Mugabe regime takes advantage of the stalemate between the super powers in the top UN Security circle. Please ignore your past differences and avoid a catastrophic genocide in Zimbabwe by being objective in dealing with peace in Africa.

This story comes from the Herald which is the only National newspaper here in Zimbabwe. It is controlled by ZANU-PF and refuses to take election coverage from MDC. It is the newsletter of our dictator Robert Mugabe. Any time you print a story from the herald you should tell your readers this.

It does actually say at the top right "Published by the Government of Zimbabwe" which is really all that needs to be said in my opinion to tell people all they need to know about the source.

The problem is that it's a little out of the way and I bet many people who follow a link to this article (through Google News for example, which seems to be picking up a lot of AllAfica's Herald articles these days) miss it; some of them probably associate the AllAfrica.com name with this type of reporting if their first experience of the site is a Herald article.

If they stuck the explanation of the source immediately below the source name top left it would probably be a lot clearer, eg:

The Herald (Harare) Published by the government of Zimbabwe 25 June 2008 Posted to the web 25 June 2008

The Herald (Harare)

Published by the government of Zimbabwe

25 June 2008

Posted to the web 25 June 2008

(site seems to like eating line endings)

Blimey, it's good to see biased reporting reigns supreme on here! More blatant LIES from Mugabe, Zanu PF et al.

Mugabe is a ruthless, evil tyrant and should be arrested and prosecuted for his crimes against humanity. Alternatively, will someone please just bump him off?!

Ha Ha thought Bob mugabes point there was quite good! Deffinately agree with you there Herbaliser! Wats the crac -can someone not just shoot that stupid heure Mugabe?? Reading that article from the Herald made me laugh just can't believe how dillusional Mugabe et al are. Think theres only one thing for it - send in a military force - UN Peacekeepers (Or even the British Army!!) and blow Mugabe and ZANU-PF into the middle of next week!! P.S. Also heard that Robert Mugabe is a Flamboyant Homosexual behind closed doors - well not suprising if you you look at the jackets he wears at election rallies!

Wow! I never realised the truth. Now that I hear the Herald and ZANU PF's side of the story it all makes sense: Britain and US should be ashamed of themselves for meddling....

I have certainly been no supporter of the misguided and arrogant actions of the UK and USA in recent years - not to mention those of my own country, Australia - and I've considered their actions against the UN as shameful. However the UN *should* be ashamed of itself for standing by while yet another thug dictator inflicts his will on a terrorised people. Of course his representatives are going to testify that the opposition is to blame for the violence - but accepting that more of them are locked up as evidence that they are to blame is blatant nonsense.

Why does this world stand by and do nothing while so many megalomaniac crackpot dictators get away with murder? I don't understand.

Quite rich coming from an Australian.....how dare any Australian call Mugabe a thug dictator when majority of white Aussies have the "right" to abuse the Aborigines with impunity. Solve ye first the problem in thy house. True freedom for all Aborigines; only then can we start pointing fingers.

You obviously havent been to Australia, so best you keep your comments to yourself.

It is all true I tell you. The opposition are spreading lies about Zanu PF by beating themselves up, setting light to their own homes, and raping their own wives.

You need ME in charge, I have already made Zimbabwe the Number 1 country in the world for inflation, way ahead of our Imperial enemies in Britain with their paltry 3%.

Vote for me on Friday and I promise you will be a millionaire, enough to buy a slice of bread. What more could you want?

How ironic it is South Africa, itself literally freed by outside help and invention, insists on helpless Zimbabweans freeing themselves. It is especially funny that South Africa would be the one country blocking international community intervention in the overthrow of evil dictators like Zimbabwe's president. Only through the help of international community, the people of Zimbabwe can be freed from tyranny. Besides, by blocking the international community intervention and supporting evil Mugube's government, South Africa is actually intervening in the internal affair of Zimbabwe.

South Africa needs to be a more mature nation and evidently it is not showing any sign of maturity or leadership. It must remember at all time that its freedom came through the very intervention of the international community. It needs to express appreciation for the international community's intervention in its affair and it must take the leadership role in helping poor and dying Africans from all corners of Africa free themselves from the evil rule of dictators and tyrants.

Khar Bik A Burmese Brother of Africa

your brotherhood stinks. You should spend more time at the UN before you speak. You clearly should not comment about Africa. and how its dictator are groomed. Your ignorance proves it.

To you: Emmanuel and The herbaliser

we really don't need your candor. your comments are just as idiotic. If you can’t even see who is pulling the strings in the destruction of Zimbabwe, you should shut up and face the music. Understand this: We don't need Tsvangirai. We don't need Mugabe either. They are both dictators. The behavior of what goes on at the UN level is enough. to show the sinister motives of western nations. Use your heads. Mugabe has been made a dictator by design. We see this all over Africa. When are you going to start thinking for yourself and Africa as an independent continent?

And your way of dealing with this situation is what, exactly??!

"The behavior of what goes on at the UN level is enough. to show the sinister motives of western nations. " - you're right. Deploring the violence, murder and intimidation against normal Zimbabweans is really quite sinister. Grow a brain stupid. There is most definatley a village out there missing an idiot.

to my dear friend "awt_independent" Many of us are suffering under the current dictator and the one the West is forcefully shoving in our throats prefer that you save your humor for later. The majority of the people you seem to be trying to support will not dig your humor at the time the situation is so dire. What do you have under the sleeve doc? You need to step forward. Clarify your position for us.

The west is not "shoving" anything down anyones throat. The purpose of democracy is that people get to choose who they vote for. So if people dont like Morgan T, they vote for Mugabe and vice versa. Its certainly not forced by the west. The only thing that is forced is the MDC supporters to vote for Mugabe under fear of their lives. How can you say Morgan T will be a dictator. That you dont know. Surely he is better than someone that is willing to kill his own people for his own power hungry devices?

“The west is not "shoving" anything down anyones throat… Its certainly not forced by the west.” That is a self imposed ignorance. I will not challenge that. As an intellectual, you should do yourself a favor and study the political maneuvering at the UN level. The facts are there, such as the politics behind the genocide in Rwanda, if you care to analyze them. We all know how Kabila, Lumumba and Sangara left the scene, “Zimbabwe: UN Blocks British, U.S. Attempts to Halt Run-Off” Did this actually happened? Or was it the fabrication of “The Herald”? It is your job as well as mine to check if this is true. “How can you say Morgan T will be a dictator.” On this day and age, mark my words Morgan will be made a dictator the same way Mugabe was. I am old enough to know how Mugabe came to power and the forces that were at play. Therefore I beg to differ with your assertion. A blind trust is just as bad if you purposely decline to analyze the interest of outside powers. The west is never in Zimbabwe or Africa for the well being of people there. It is there to pursue its own interest and feed its own people. Degaule once said: A government has no friends. It has interests. Western leaders tell us this. And yet many Africans of your persuasion choose to ignore it. If you can’t see it, I am not certainly the one to convince you to consider it. Count me out on this one.

Noted, counted out you are.

So, Ecor52, I repeat my earlier, unanswered question: how would YOU solve this situation? You seem to slag off anyone who doesn't share your incredible insight into the political wranglings in Zimbabwe, but you fail to reveal how the terrible situation over there can be resolved. Come on, enlighten us...

I am assuming you are reading every post. Much of what I can add has been discussed. read Jay's comments if you care. My whole point is that many patriots of your persuasion pound their chests and bark at the wrong tree. You should have been looking at the constitution? That is where the damage is. Mugabe is one person. He is practically nothing. He will be gone in no time. Are you directing your anger at the judicial department? Where were you when the thing was being hammer out? It is not enough to be a reactionary. Peasants like me require more of you. Is that of any importance to you? You are the only one to answer.

Mbeki is a disgrace in the region. What a cruel leader who protect only one man Robert Mugabe at the mercy of millions of Zimbabweans suffering as a result of Robert Mugabe's autocracy and tyranny. If he has a face, he should quietly stop mediating at once for the betterment of the people of Zimbabwe. South Africa watch out what is happenning in Zimbabwe will fall on you soon.

What warped reporting!!! What will these sycophants (journalists, ministers, ambassadors, ZEC) tell their kids/ grandkids years from now when they are queried about their role in this mess? Will they honestly look them in the eyes and say they were doing their jobs?

Ashamed to be a South African citizen.

We all know that The Herald is the voice of the "current" government and whatever comes from there, is simple propaganda. The more african countries and their leaders put pressure on Mugabe and his followers, the more he will recognize that his time is over. And this is what makes me smile even so many suffer these days. Good luck to all peace-loving Zimbabweans, do the right thing, vote Morgan!

Ecor52, as you seem to be the fundi of how dictators are groomed, pray, tell us how before we nominate you as the next president of Zimbabwe.

You earned it! I am comfortable calling you "Dr. Fundi". Dr. Fundi, look here: As a patriot, you know as much as anyone else who cares to look deeper into the complexity of this nightmarish political climate in the country. You can read. You can also think. And the information is out for all to find. Therefore your call sounds like a begging one than anything else. In that case, I don’t know why you are asking.

I would like to think that we all ought to go back to our solution drawing board. There are two sides that always go hand in hand: Domestic players and outside players. One must ask. What is going on in our domestic politics that you don’t know? You are the only one to answer that. How much outside interference do you care to consider? There, my friend, is where you have to challenge your own mind set. Look at it critically and examine what you come up with. Do you believe that interference exists? How much of it? How does it manifest locally from afar?

Consider the following: The self proclaimed holders of the ultimate enlightenment for everybody else in world cannot remove their chimp occupying the white house. They claim to be the beacon of hope for all democracies Yet, their leader goes around the world begging governments around the world for sympathy after they get caught with a gun shooting from the hip mindlessly innocent people and anything that moves. Do you ask yourself why? What do you come up with?

Incidentally, you don’t post here to find someone to nominate. If that is your goal in this forum, then you have a long way to go. Understand that we lost the game long ago in our search for a good leader. As long as we acquiesce to the constitution that sets NO TERM LIMIT for any public office, especially the presidency, we will be manipulated. We deserve what we get. My personal views is that the most serious intellectual should spend more time at changing the constitution.

Ecor52, before you start patting yourself on the back because you think I addressed you in ignorance, think again. You responded to Kblovesong by quote,"You clearly should not comment about Africa and how its dictators are groomed" end of quote. My response to you was facetious and you didn't even recognize that. Read it again. I hate to burst your bubble and believe me, you are one of a few on these threads I would never consult because judging by your posts, you are all Mugabe's brainwashed zombies. Who wants to deal with that?

kjrs120. Dttto! I feel the same way about your drivel. It sounds like I succeeded. I managed to get you to write the statement that was eating you up. My statement applies to both of you. I am sure your fiction will have more traction in Burma with your friend. You don’t have to rot and suffer like many of us here. Just move to Burma. Here we are mad and bitter. We are dealing with reality not fiction. Since you are the smart one, I would suggest that you use a little bit more humility before you judge me as being pro Mugabe.

ecor52, clearly you're an intellectual. It's all well and good to talk about the constitution but you seem not to see the practicality of the Zim situation. Laws are meaningless if they are not enforced. This run-off election is in itself illegal being more than 21 days from the announcement of the initial results. MDC can take this to court, and it will drag on and on for years while Mugabe continues to ruin the country.

I understand you point. I am aware that powerlessness you alluding to. And yet, that is the only branch of the government we have to change course for the future of the country and the people. I also think we should not lose focus. Mugabe is going to die out like a fart in the wind. He is history. He will not govern much longer. That is how I look at it. The next guy will be another Mugabe using the same Law currently on books. That is why I keep saying that we focus too much on the now and get surprised when the acting dictator uses the Law to his advantage. The question is what can we do to make the judicial branch independent of the executive branch? My own feeling is that the judicial branch should be made more powerful than the executive branch. At least there, the president has more than one person to corrupt. Judges should never have to be chosen by the will of the president. As long as the president has the power to bend some arms to fits his own need for his nonesensical ambitions, then we cannot move very far. I have been doing some research on this personally. I can’t seem to find anything of value. If you know of any thing I can read, please let me know.

Ecor, Why should I go to Burma? Burma? What are you smoking?

To kjrs120: Your brother in arms and comrade, “kblovesong”, signed his/her statement as follows. “Khar Bik A Burmese Brother of Africa”. That was perhaps another wrinkle in your fictitious characterization of things in a seemingly dangerous ploy of your caliber of an individual. You both share the same fictional depiction of the horror we are living. To his/her credit and reaching out, I think you owe him/her an apology. He/she is on your side. One would predict that he/she would be glad to help you out and re-focus your attention to the real facts we witness daily. . I presume you see wisdom in his call. Wouldn’t you find it good to rub elbows together to contribute to the search of a lasting solution for our plight? In relation to smoking, you are wasting time injecting pig shit word like “smoking” in our conversation. If comment “What are you smoking?” is all you can afford to offer, blow that smoke out in your own home before you walk outside. We don’t need polluters of the air we are breathing in our midst.

Ecor, there is no need for me to apologize to Kblovesong because I totally agree with his/her post. That whole statement was of mature observations on how the South African government has failed to lead the negotiations on the Zimbabwean crisis. You CHIDED that post and that is why I was convinced you are a Mugabe supporter. The abductions, severing of body limbs, burning of people alive, causing millions of people to flee, and killings are No fiction. It's a horror of a great magnitude. Only Zimbabweans can fix the situation by finding a suitable leader and if the African leaders remain useless then Zimbabwe is doomed under Mugabe. What you said about changing the constitution to allow term limits would solve many problems. But I don't think it would fly because it would not give the leaders enough time to loot their respective countries.

Can we get back to the FACTS of 80% unemployment, 1,000,000% inflation and 30% of the population of Zimbabwe living outside it's borders?

ZANU-PF/Mugabe has "achieved", in the words of Nelson Mandela, "A tragic failure of leadership"! Does anyone want to argue the wisdom of Nelson Mandela? Phiri? Kuba? Anyone? Does anyone doubt that Mr. Mandela would have been happy/ectstatic to inherit South Africa in the state that Mr. Mugabe found Zimbabwe in 19080?

A country once the breadbasket of Africa, a net-exporter relegated to a net-importer of foodstuffs, a country where a secrecy of the ballot-box no longer applies, a country where freedom of conscience no longer applies. What can ZANU-PF/Mugabe fear from a free election when they have so nobly served the people of Zimbabwe under their stewardship?

ZANU-PF/Mugabe has only delivered independence from white-rule, nothing else! It is one thing to lead a laberation, it is quite another to govern for the benefit of all liberated persons. ZANU-PF/Mugabe has failed in that and, to them, the PEOPLE of Zimbabwe, have had the temerity to renounce them!

Sadly, we are far from the end-game. Mugabe cannot rule Zimbabwe now with the MDC in control of parliament. His only option is too disband parliament, for which the people of Zimbabwe, and the world, will call him to account.

The game is being played into "injury-time", but even if Mugabe prevails in the travesty that is the "run-off" he will be unable to govern, and the MDC dominated parliament will continually "nip at the heels" of the ZANU-PF/Mugabe establishment until they are rendered feeble.

A change is going to come, just not within the timeframe we all hoped an prayed it would come within! The FACTS do not support the continuation of the current regime!

Juhlman, you are beginning to behave like a fly. Now that we have seen your message SO many times we feel like swatting you. On the other hand if it will provoke consciousness on Mugabe stooges, so be it.

kjrs120 “The abductions, severing of body limbs, burning of people alive, causing millions of people to flee, and killings are No fiction. It's a horror of a great magnitude.”

This is something you tell the Chimpanze in the White house. He will eat it up and use it to his advantage to shoot from the hip anything that moves.. I am seriously wondering about where you are taking this conversation. Who are you telling this to? Me? Are you serious? Your message is for whose consumption exactly? I thought you hated Mugabe. Why are following in his foot step? Where are you taking this conversation? I expect this coming from Mugabe NOT YOU!

Are you posing as one of us Zims on here? Are you one those zim flying birds spending a few weeks in Harare and when the situation gets hot he quickly escapes to safety and flies to London or any other western city for safety and preaches what ought to get done in Zimbambwe? This insults our mind. I know I have been harsh on you. I am even harsher this time around because I know you can do better. And there is a considerable size of the population thinking like you. There is no need to beg for intellectual sympathy. The West doesn’t give a hoot about you. Quit kissing up on your western masters hairy asses. People depend on your leadership in the neighborhood. Not this feel sorry attitude. Million Zims and by extension Africans lost their lives fighting for all of us. And this is how you honor their ultimate sacrifice? What a pity! You ought to do better. Any Zim living in the country knows the crime you are talking about.

Look! The day before yesterday, it was probably somebody you knew who got killed. The day after it was my own relative. Yesterday your relative got shot. Another got raped. Today it will be probably me who gets shot. Tomorrow it may be you. We all know this. And you dare to preach to us the facts everyone of us knows so well and lives the horror every minute to very second of his life? Please stop talking to us as if we knew nothing about it. Take the bullet in the chest not in the back. Be a foot soldier. Suck it up. Forge forward. Pick up your intellectual riffle. Think beyond Morgan reign! Rooting for Morgan or Mugabe, is putting a band aid on a rotten wound. Organize locally without insulting Mugabe, the man, for people’s awareness. Encourage a climate that fosters a change for a better political discourse. Don’t attack Mugabe. Don’t attack Morgan. Attack the mechanism that keeps producing dictators under deceiving democratic alibi. When you get to that point, I will eat my words and give you a salute. Comrade, I think you hear the echo in my message. All right! Do some 21 push ups, and then together, let us march on until we defeat the enemy.

Ecor, what is it that you and a number of you want to hear? You said, "I know I have been harsh on you. I am even harsher this time round....". Get off your high horse. Who the bloody hell do you think you are? I will repeat it to you once again. The abductions, severing of body limbs, burning of people alive, causing millions to flee and the killings are NO fiction. It's horrors of great magnitude. This is a reality in Zimbabwe under the hands of Mugabe, and if you do not want to hear it from me then get stuffed because I believe in calling a spade a spade. Mugabe didn't just suddenly wake up a rotten man. It is stupid people the likes of you who kept dancing and ululating to him over the years whilst he raped your country and murdered your people. What did or have you done? NOTHING. Just like your useless SADC wimps, you are all too scared to criticize. But one thing you are good at is moping about the Western countries and criticizing those who want to see a change for the better in your country. How do you encourage a climate that fosters change when the man in power is a dictator you have allowed to cheat from one election to another and therefore dreams up rules to suit himself.

To kjrs120 The irrational exuberance you offer is beyond repair for a national dialogue in our struggle. You truly cannot see beyond Mugabe. That is a piety. Rather than pushing forward, you are using your anger to call me names. I feel sorry for you.

“What did or have you done? NOTHING. Just like your useless SADC wimps, you are all too scared to criticize.” - As little as you know about me, you find room to tell me that you are the only one who is brave enough to reiterate the facts. Let me tell this. I have just lost a father and a brother fighting Mugabe’s killing. Yet I do not come on this website to preach to you the facts and grief I suffer. I live my life one day at a time. I am under no illusion that the same people who killed my father and brother are out there looking for me. So, I invite you to check this out yet again. That is; I still make the same statement. Everyone of us, including you, sir, ought to think beyond Mugabe. We need to find a mechanism that would defeat his killing machine. Sadly, that is all you need to call me names in place of addressing the issue. In your right mind, you associate me with wimps and by extension pro Mugabe. Thank you for your back handed patriotism.

“one thing you are good at is moping about the Western countries and criticizing those who want to see a change” - Your rebuttal qualify you as smart person in your own right. That is not a mind set for me to judge. I offer no value judgment. I offer simple reasoning mechanisms to use in our national dialoge and in our neighborhoods to fight and defeat the prevailing forces killing us all and any outside forces we are up against. Rather than addressing those, you throw shots on the cheap. You dismiss the temerity of addressing any one of the mechanisms I suggested. Since your statement appears to be defending western countries, perhaps you will be kind enough to FOCUS on that one alone and see where that leads. Let us hear your defense of western countries. You may find an ear or two listening.

I am humble enough to not call you names. I will not FORCE FIT a political affiliation to you either. I prefer to let what I say simmer in your mind just a tad. Perhaps you will guide your conscience to think a little further for the sake of our people and the country.

To juhlman: Can we get back to the FACTS of 80% unemployment, 1,000,000% inflation and 30% of the population of Zimbabwe living outside it's borders?

- Think again. Economic strangulation and brain drain are in every third world country. Does the Rep of Congo and Rwanda tell you anything? I sympathize with your emotions. But deep down, it is too little to late!. This is a small potato compared to the colossal mindset that perpetually hoodwinks us all over Africa and in particular, Zimbabwe, the republic of Congo and Rwanda among other things. We should find a way to start some individual forums: economic forum, Western countries desk forum, UN desk forum, domestic forum, military forum, judicial forum etc...Discussions should be independent from each other. We lose focus when we bunch all of them together. Economy will fall in place if we manage to rid ourselves of the strong hold the government and western interest have on us and the perpetual western yoke we suffer under stringent and sophisticated political maneuvering and posturing. This very website we are using is misguided in itself. It encourages us by design to confuse or bunch together African and Western politic with no delineation of the two to generate meaningful course of debate. Instead of identifying the western side of the problem and the African side, many prefer to discuss it as one problem. Many western are quick to blame Africans and exonerate their own western ill conceived interests in Africa. So we have a lot of work ahead of us. Keep thinking. You may hit the jackpot and remind us to follow in your foot step.