Ummmm..cant wait to hear from all the mugabe apologists on here. any minute now they will log on en masse to denounce this man as a puppet of the west etc etc etc. Again anyone that agrees with the West is either a paid puppet of the west or if they are white is branded a racist!

Yardua knows tha he is irrelevant and incosequential to Great Zim. He runs a country with whole districts where one cannot buy gasoline and other by-products of the black gold despite that Nigeria is reckoned to be the 8th petroleum producer in the world. What a backward place it is compared to Gt Zim !!! True,we have our own problems. But we certainly need the judgement of his type. Keep out of the SADC.

haha Turnex... didnt take long did it! Its funny how as soon as someone critisises Mugabe, people like Akafunboy, who to be fair, doesnt know his @rse from his elbow, tries to discredit them. It happened with Mandela and Tutu when they critisised Mugabe also. When all these people are stacking up against Mugabe, it must come to a head eventually...

awt...it is a crying shame. as I have said before it is people like this that reinforce the baseless prejudice that africans are inferior and stupid!! why can they never see wrong in their own???? even at this 11th hour when mugabe is negotiating with a paid puppet of the west, as they refer to morgan, they are still clinging to the notion that mugabe is a hero and not a zero!!!!

Yar'Adua, Sirleaf, Kagame, Odinga are not members of SADC. It's funny evertime this leaders express their resentment for Mugabe the west is there with a pay check. Odinga travels 12030km to washington bashes Mugabe and leaves with 90million dollar check (bet their is an incentive for him). Sirleaf bashes Mugabe and the military arms of America is right offshore for her disposal(Africom supporter). Kagame bashes Mugabe and all the atrocity he has commited in the region are hushed aside and Rwanda where genocidal idealogy in schools are reaching 97 PERCENT is considered the "HOPE" with westerner preaching like it's the "New Victorian Pearl of Africa." Yar'Adua faces an all out civil war because of rampant corruption leading to enivormental degradition in the niger delta, he runs off to Grand Britian where the concern for 36.2 million barrel of oil per day is more of a concern and he leaves with a security pact to kill his own native people. How to make a corrupt, genocidal, tribalist regime stay in power and be the underscore of the masses? Just get the leaders to bash western demonized figures. CASTRO, CHAVEZ, CHINA, PUTIN, AU, SADC, ERITREA, The Gulf STates and most demonized MUGABE. People are not foolish, nothing is as secreted as it use to be. Informed citizens of the world shall reverse the old world order, the new world order is slowing creeping a universal boycott of the west is near, judgement has been set.

You're right on one point there, people are not stupid ..... which means that they'll see you for the moronic little boy that you really are. I'd actually bet that with these incendiary posts that you like to put into the mix you're not actually anywhere in Africa, but safely tucked up in one of your hated western countries, nice and safe while you wait for the occasional person who believes your mindless rhetoric to actually act on it.

hey aka..you have failed to respond to my pointed questions. Why is it that during the oh so terrible racist colonial days of the evil Ian Smith you chose to remain in rhodesia. why did you not flee up north to a country governed for africans by a fellow non racist african. but in line with that, why then, once a fellow african took over the country have you found the strength and will to uproot from your country of birth to fly to distant lands in search of and to settle in countries administered by evil racist western leaders??? answers on the back of a postage stamp please...ha ha ha.

Yes, how valid is it for President Musa Yar'Adua who owes his presidency to being the brother of Shehu Yar'Adua who was once Olusegun Obasanjo's vice president and who was handpicked by Obasanjo to succeed himself, to criticize Zimbabwe's elections. When you think about it, with all the problems that Nigeria has, it's really a joke that a man who is considered a puppet of Obasanjo by many Nigerians, even chose to publically comment on an election that he has no first-hand knowledge of. Is this how you take the focus away from your own failures? Is it, you help the West and they will repay you by not pointing out your own failures? It looks like "divide and conquer" still rules in Africa. Mr. Yar'Adua needs to spend all of his time trying to solve Nigeria's many problems and pushing for a permanent seat in the Security Council for Africa and less time sucking up to his former colonial masters.

President Yar’Adua is right in expressing his country’s position on Zimbabwe. The election process in Zimbabwe disenfranchised the voters of Zimbabwe. The elections failed to produce a genuine President of Zimbabwe.

President Yar’Adua also come into power in a similar way as Mugabe, except that the western world gave him a free pass. Other African Presidents should also have condemned the election process in Nigeria. Nigeria has oil and it does not matter what kind of gov’t he runs, as long as his a friend of the western world. African democracy cannot be based on Friendship with the western world or China or Russia, but must be based on free and fair elections. EU and USA condemned Nigeria, but that’s how far it got. Compare that to Zimbabwe..Where the calls for sanctions are in every British paper! So much double standards!

Our glorious president today announced a ZIM$100 million bounty on the head of that white colonial dog Yar'Adua. He is the cause of all our economic unrest and with the white colonial imperialist dog supporter out of the way our great country will return to its rightful place as the true leader of Africa.

ZIM$100 million? Thats got to be a about 10p right? haha I dont know whether to take your post seriously or not!

awt...stop it mate..there is no way I would part with 10p for that worthless currency. My 10p can buy me a lot more than the 100million being offered. And my 10p will still be worth 10p in a years time...that 100million has dropped in value since the bounty was raised. Like you said..you dont know whether to laugh or not...at least if anything it shows the zero mugabe still has a sense of humour...and his blind followers are too thick to realise it...ha ha

Your glorious president is now also a puppet of the west mate. He has agreed to shake hands and share power with a man sponsored by the evil racist west and the nasty imperialist colonialist horrible britain via the demon posessed gordon brown.(remember how he called for an exorcist to be sent to 10 downing street) All the above are the words of your hero mugabe. square them up with his actions and tell us how glorious he still remains in your eyes!!

you forget that he also sold out Zimbabwe's $250billion USD worth of minerals to china in exchange for a £4.5 million mansion for his retirement. Mugabe is just a sell out white anglo racist! haha

You mean that's all he got was the price of a room at Buckingham Palace for gaining $250,000,000,000 for his country. The man needs to take some lessons from western leaders, where 10% is the minimum.

what happened to you worrying about foreigners taking all your countries mineral wealth! haha... you're such a flip flopper! Double standards here. If the english do it, its bad, if the chinese do it, its ok.

what happened to you worrying about foreigners taking all your countries mineral wealth! haha... you're such a flip flopper! Double standards here. If the english do it, its bad, if the chinese do it, its ok.

Yar adua should shut up.He,s is a case of pot calling kettle black.The selection(not election) that brought him to power was quickly accepted by the west because they saw in him a willing tool, but Nigerians are awake and scrutinising every move he makes.He has no moral authority to make comments on issues concerning other country,s electoral process, most especially when he knew how he himself came to power.As for all the western apologists who,ll readilly be slave of the west to gain some favors, your,s is a pathetic cas.If you,re not able to study Africa,s recent past and make judgements that has relevance to that history then, we feel sorry for the state you,re in ,it,s pathetic.Over 500 years of invasions,stealing, raping, lynching,war crimes perpetrated by the west must surely have a repercusion, and that,s what we,re witnessing right now with the happenings all around Africa.All western apologists and the westerners who have these same racist mentalities and attitudes should go hang, that,s all we wish them. Just like europe is for europeans, so is African surely going to be for Africans.

If Africa is for Africans, how do you feel about Mugabe selling all the Zimbabwean minerals to China in exchange for a £4.5million mansion for himself?

Right on!

Djoser, "Right on," for Mugabe giving away your birthright? Then you are more brainwashed and stupid than I thought. From now on you join the ranks of the Phiris and Kubatanas because like them your brains are in perpetual hibernation. Your clocks tick backwards and all you see is what happened 100 years ago. You do not see Zimbabwe as it should be today in the 21st century as you have no drive or ambition for your country except big talk about revenge for what took place years ago. If Ian smith was alive today, he would be laughing his head off and saying "I told you so" and your leadership would have proved him right. What a shame. How frustrating it must be for the Zimbabweans who want progress, peace, and have a vision for their country, but cannot execute it because of a leader Mugabe whose only concern is killing, destruction and more destruction and stuffing his bottomless pockets. We already know that Mugabe is useless, so all eyes will be on Mr Tsvangirai without whom the people are dead and Zimbabwe will for ever be doomed financially.

Kjrs120, I'm just getting around to reading this post you made to me and since I not one who wants to miss an opportunity to respond to a jerk who calls me stupid, here's my answer. First of all, my "right on" was in response to the fine post made by Rafil, so I don't know what all this babbling about "Mugabe giving away your birthright" is coming from. However, since Mr. Mugabe was one of the main figures who played a major role in re-gaining African land from the hands of the European foreigners who stole it from them starting over a century ago and since I'm African, he certainly is a hero as far as I'm concerned. As for him giving away my birthright, I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Frankly, I don't think you do either. In any case, you are totally wrong about me not seeing Zimbabwe as it should be today. I see it as a country whose natural resources should be owned and controlled by the indigenous people, not by settlers who were given them under colonialism. I see it as a country where western attempts at destabilization should be defeated and the majority population should be allowed to chose their own leaders and not have sanctions imposed because they didn't chose the leaders that foreigners wanted. Your know what's really frustrating kj, is to see that there are people so stupid out there who think that everyone is going to buy into all this anti-Mugabe western propaganda (lies, distortions, misinformation). Those of us who are smart enough, like Phiri and Kubatanas, whom you mentioned, and many more on these boards, know what this is all about. And that must be very frustrating to you and your kind.

Djoser, I was under the impression that you were responding to Awt who poignantly pointed out in response to Rafil that Mugabe has sold Zimbabwe's mineral rights to China in exchange for his 4.5 million British pound mansion. Your response of "Right on!" followed right below. Are you aware of this sell-out because if you are, you should be outraged. It is one of many resources that your country cannot and should never give away to anyone for any reason. Let me ask you one hypothetical question. Suppose you are swimming and suddenly you start to drown. A neighbour your whole family trusts, jumps into the water, pulls you out, does pulmonary resuscitation, gets you breathing again and really saves your life. Now sometime later, as you are away from home that same trusted neighbour comes to your home gun in hand, rounds up your whole family including your children and locks them up. He then turns to your wife or your mother and rapes her, beats her so badly that she sustains fractures and leaves her for dead. He proceeds to set your home on fire and your whole family perishes. Tell me , will you always cherish that neighbour just because he saved your life? I am sure you will pretend not to see what I am getting at. I will save you the trouble. It is a response to your blind appreciation to someone like Mugabe who even though led the struggle for independence, brought you nothing but strife. YOU are ok because you dance to his tunes. Look at your country. It's flat broke. Your money (what money) is useless. Millions have fled. Those left behind who try to ask for their God given right of freedom are raped, beaten, set on fire and killed. How wonderful is that. Now your Mugabe has no shame to come crawling to Mr Tsvangirai for his help to cover up all the mess that he (Mugabe) has done. So if Mr Tavangirai has those right strengths why beat him and kill his supporters in the first place? You lot called Mr Tsvangirai 'a puppet of the west' so it looks like now you are shamefully swallowing your words.

Kjrs, Yes, AllAfrica does have a way of making posts confusing, so I guess the way around it is to address names. As it turns out my "right on" applies to both posts, Rafil and Awt. In fact I had not heard about Zimbabwe's selling it mineral rights to China until Awt's post but if it is true that they got anywhere near that amount, then it's great news for all Zimbabweans. After all the British enriched themselves using Zimbabwe's minerals for years without paying the Africans anything. As to your hypothetical question, it is so convoluted that I wouldn't even think about trying to answer it. However, if you have something direct to ask I'll be glad to try to answer it for you. As for as Mugabe bringing strife, nothing is farther from the truth. The economic problems that Zimbabwe is now undergoing is 80% the direct results of the sanctions imposed by Britain and her friends. Of course many people have left the country looking for work, but this can be directly attributed to the sanctions, not Mugabe. Of course we all know that if Mr. Mugabe had not taken the land and redistributed it to the landless Africans, whose land was taken years ago under the auspices of the British government, after the current government refused to honor an agreement they made at Lancaster House. So I guess by some weird thought process one can say Mugabe caused the hardship but normal minds know better. As for all the alleged killings and rapes that you and your friends keep posting, I strongly suspect that you and your friends know that these are mostly lies and damn lies and you're just doing what comes naturally. As for your absurd contention about Mugabe is crawling to Tvangirai, that is a real joke. Mr. Mugabe is the elected, sitting president of Zimbabwe as recognized by the AU and SADC so it is he who is holding the cards and the western sponsored candidate is the one who's trying to get a seat at the table. Mr. Mugabe is doing all he can to ease the suffering brought on by western sanctions and he is to be congratulated for that. Me and my lot are swallowing nothing, at least not until Mr. Tvangirai shows that he can stand independent of those who have been manipulating him. BTW, were Mr. Mugabe anywhere close to being all the things the West and their media mouthpieces say that he is he would have Aminized Mr. Tvangirai a long time ago.

80% attributable to the sanctions? somehow I think you are misinformed.

How can targetted sanctions against individuals (and only in this last tightening of sanctions a couple of companies), and even then only on their travel and personal finances, possibly affect an entire country?

The answer is that it can't ..... unless the people that have been targetted with the sanctions have been 'on the take' in a huge way, and the personal assets that have been frozen represent what should have been a good proportion of the Zimbabwe economy itself.

This in itself would be mismanagement of epic proportions, but add that to the oppression that has marked his 28 year stretch and you're certainly not looking at a selfless saviour who puts his people and country first.

As for the mineral rights, it would be amazing for the people of Zimbabwe if he had sold them off for the benefit of the country ..... but somehow, given his track record on such things, I think it will be more likely that he will have traded the rights off for equipment to strengthen the army and his own party. Great idea there, lets get more guns ..... our soldiers will be too weak from hunger to fight, but at least they'll be well equipped.

I'm just curious as to how he came up with the 80%. Sounds like there is some research behind that? Or more likely, he's just making things up usual. I cant be bothered to reply to the rest of his post. Just drivel really.

Lets face it, a one man election wouldnt have happened even in Nigeria, as bad as our politics is. Zimbabwe has really got it bad! Tshabinga, u got to be concussed or something, zimbabwe started aving problems way b4 yaradua could say 'Free Zimbabwe'. All in all, i pity zimbabweans, i really do feel for them, having gone through a similar phase under the equallly despotic abacha!

This is a very interesting article, as it borthers on truth and reality of situation in Nigeria. Gordon Brown should follow the reality of history, knowing fully well, that the British fore-fathers are the genesis of 90% of the worlds problem today, for their personal greed. They went all over the world, Africa, Asia, Arab countries to cause distabilisation, corruption and all forms of evil deeds, all to syphon those parts of the world's wealth. Even when they had to leave, mostly by forcing out, they left the places in dis-unity, for them to continue to perpetrate their selfish and wicked greed, for the country's wealth. This is the true picture of Nigeria today. Yardua should realise, Britain is not offering military assistance for genuiness, they are after protecting that wicked company in the name - Shell BP, turning out trillions of money at the expense of millions displaced and left in extreme poverty. If he makes a mistake, accepting that Greek Gift, Nigeria will break into pieces on his head. May be it is time, the North and South part ways. That is the real way of seeing it, as we know that some are reaping from where they did not sow. And if they feel they need outside intervention to protect their interest, some of us will show them, this time, where they belong. It is better for Brown to face his problem of terorrism in his Britain, and not to dabble into another problem. Many will never see any good coming from Britain. May be, during Tony Blair's term of office, many may feel the genuiness of intentions, as Blair himself is straight forward, though unfortunately, his own people don't know him deeply. Brown, you don't have the same charisma, as that man left a very big shoe behind, and trying to please English people because of your route, could be very distrastrous for you, if you dabble into Nigeria's problems, originally created by Old British.

I was on the verge of agreeing with most of what you said till I read the statement "tony blair was straightforward"..this little charlatan was so crooked he could not lie straight in bed!!! sorry, mate..your credibility is shot to pieces!!

Ah, but there is a difference between 'straightforward' and charismatic. Blair was the first Prime Minister ever to be questioned by police while in office in a fraud investigation of sorts, he was the one who led the government that almost ruined the education and health services through their 'Quangos' ..... too many managers not enough staff, and he was the one that filled his own pockets from the public coffers by allowing the MPs to abuse the expenses system.

Blair was, just like Brown is now, a crook, and the soomer Britain is rid of them the better.

Now, answering all you Mugabe apologists out there ..... You claim that Yar'Adua has no right to criticise Mugabe, yet you hang on every word that Mugabe says when he starts throwing stones in his house of glass. Regardless of the method of his election, he has a perfect right to state his country's position on foreign relations with another country ..... just as Mugabe does ..... the difference is that Yar'Adua speaks of peace and backs it up with reason, Mugabe speaks of war against his own, and backs it up with propaganda, hate speeches and half truths (at best).

Before I stick my foot in my mouth, Timberwolf, Awt, Turnex, the West, and all other well-meaning contributors to these threads, apart from Mugabe funneling Zimbabwe's money reserves out of his country to his foreign banks, and the country's agriculture being non-existent, how much concern do you think the Zimbabwean people should have with Mugabe now having given away their mineral resources too to a foreign nation? Would I be right in thinking that Zimbabwe's minerals now belong to the foreign nation, leaving Zimbabwe with absolutely no say what so ever? So if that is the case then that leaves Zimbabwe completely stripped, broke and with no leverage. What are your views?

I think the issue of zimbabwean minerals being foreign owned became a big deal when Mugabe was trying to paint the British as a mortal enemy of Zimbabwe. The British are going to invade, the economy is a result of the sanctions on Zim by the British, the British want to recolonise etc. The fact he's happy to give the chinese the control of the minerals just shows what a hypercrit he is. Another thing is China doesnt care about Africa either. They delivered many arms to Sudan after the arms embargo was in place which led to the genocide we see there today. And they also prevented the UN from delivering an effective peace keeping effort there also. So if Mugabe thinks China cares about Zim, he's wrong there. They just want the minerals. But another thing, the money that China gets from the minerals will go straight to the ZANU PF back pockets. And the poeple of Zimbabwe wont see any of it. So the people of Zim should be quite concerned. I cant see the money going to roads, hospitals etc.

Author: awt_independent "I think the issue of zimbabwean minerals being foreign owned became a big deal when Mugabe was trying to paint the British as a mortal enemy of Zimbabwe."

Why on earth would anyone think that about the British? After all didn't they sponsor free trips to America for millions of Africans for many centuries? And more recently didn't they live up to the agreement that they signed with the support of their American cousins at Lancaster House? And haven't they been very careful not to interfere in Zimbabwe's internal affairs over the last 10 years? And haven't they been very vigilant in seeking out and telling the world the truth about the government ever since the land reform program was initiated about 10 years ago after that note from Clare Short reneging on the Lancaster agreements? And haven't the British been very helpful to the ordinary Zimbabwean by imposing sanctions on them so they cannot have jobs or get the inputs to make their newly acquired farms productive? So why in hell would the Zimbabweans think that Britain and her white friends are their mortal enemies? Why, why, why?

"The British are going to invade, the economy is a result of the sanctions on Zim by the British, the British want to recolonise etc. The fact he's happy to give the chinese the control of the minerals just shows what a hypercrit he is. Another thing is China doesnt care about Africa either. They delivered many arms to Sudan after the arms embargo was in place which led to the genocide we see there today. And they also prevented the UN from delivering an effective peace keeping effort there also. So if Mugabe thinks China cares about Zim, he's wrong there. They just want the minerals. But another thing, the money that China gets from the minerals will go straight to the ZANU PF back pockets. And the poeple of Zimbabwe wont see any of it. So the people of Zim should be quite concerned. I cant see the money going to roads, hospitals etc."

China has been a friend of Zimbabwe going back to the liberation struggles of the 70s, so we know where they stand. Without their help Zimbabwe would probably still be Rhodesia. So if Mr. Mugabe sold the mineral rights to the Chinese, it's one of the smartest things that he did since becoming president. For over a century the Africans got nothing from the British and other European countries who enriched themselves from these resources. Bottom line, there is nothing China could do that would be as bad as what the Europeans have already done in Africa.

"And haven't the British been very helpful to the ordinary Zimbabwean by imposing sanctions on them " So tell me, apart from sanctions on minsters travel, and an arms embargo, what sanctions on the Zimbabwean people have the British imposed? The answer is none! Thats what Mugabe wants you to believe. Once again, telling lies to paint the British as the enemy. The US have issued legislation banning firms working with Zim and the IMF and World Bank also, but these entities are very different from the British. And dont forget China and South AFrica refusing to lend money to Zim. But these guys are also very different from the British. The British have zero sanctions on the zimbabwean people. When are you going to get this through your think skull?

"Bottom line, there is nothing China could do that would be as bad as what the Europeans have already done in Africa" Do you think China could do something as bad as the North Koreans did to the Ndebele people in the 80's on the orders of Mugabe?

I like how you plainly forget Mugabes comments about the Tsvangarai being a sell out and that if he got into power, all the minerals would end up foreign owned in the hands of the British blah blah puppet etc.

And now he's sold out to the Chinese.

Hyproracy plain and simple.

Can you imagine what would be written in the Herald if Tsvangarai had arranged the same deal with the British?

Thanks Awt.

pleasure.

Analogy:Zimbabwe in the middle with resources. US/British on the left, Chinese/Russians on the right. Signature on Zimbabweans Equity agreement(can be Private) on table. Go Go.Sign. Chinese/Russians sign quickly without hesitation and handed the resources. Period.

Looking at Mugabe and ZANU's past records, then I would have to agree with awt that they will almost certainly have ceded the mineral rights not only for a fraction of their actual worth, but also for the gain of the so called 'ruling elite' only.

Personally I don't believe that Mugabe or ZANU have any intention of pulling Zimbabwe out of the economic slump, and it's a good bet that they're squeezing the last of what they can get out of Zimbabwe now.

Djoser, My hypothetical story is not at all convoluted: Someone saves your life. That same person later butchers your whole family. Do you continue being grateful to them after they have been so brutal to your family? This is exactly how you are. You support Mugabe who even though saved you from the white racist regime, has turned around and butchered thousands of you. So what is so hard to understand about my analogy? You are just brain-washed. You are so dead wrong about everything. The British NEVER refused to honor the Lancaster House agreement. Who told you that? The British paid their installment as per the agreement but what did Mugabe do with that money? It was never used for the purpose intended, instead it went only where Mugabe knows. To this day, he has never divulged as to what he did with all those millions of pounds. So because it was obvious Mugabe had stuffed his own pockets with it , the British told him to "stuff it" as they are not going to give him the installments just so he can continue stuffing himself. They are not fools. As he is one of your dear friends, ask him. Perhaps he will tell you. You say there is no strife in your country. What is strife? In all your born days, did you ever encounter MILLIONS of your Zimbabweans RUNNING AWAY from their homeland to be refugees elsewhere? If this alone is not strife then is it a game to you? You also regard Mugabe's murders as "alleged." what alleged? It is real, the 20,000 Mandebele for starters. His god made him do it in a moment of madness, remember? As for the Chinese: if China is such a great friend of Zimbabwe, why has it not come forth with food aid to your people? The exchange of millions for the mineral rights between Mugabe and China has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. Did you as an African and Zimbabwean receive any? No. Were you invited to the mansion? No. Any improvements in your miserable currency and other economical situation? No. What happened to it Djoser? "ER..er..I don't know."

Appreciate you response Timberwolf.

The Zimbabwean political problem should be settled by zimbabweans themselves and not by some wolfs in sheeps clothing.We Africans feel Mugabe should step aside having been there for a while, but not to relinquish power to a puppet of the west like tsvangirai.The west should realise that in Africa there has been civilizations way before they came in and we,ve settled our problems ourselves,in fact when we created modern civilizations of the day, they were in their caves.They can,t be acting like they,re really helping us, no, they are in Africa only because of what they can steal from Africans as has been the case ever since they discovered a magical land of abundance called Africa more than 5 hundred years ago,the same fate befell all the continents they travelled.It only pains me that till now Africans still don,t know how to handle these people,but we think things are changing for the better,AFRICA RISING; believe it or not,and those that have sponsored wars among Africans,made it economically impossible for Africa to rise, helped steal huge sums of money from Africa, all we can say is that your days are numbered.As for some contributors giving the impression that the west has had nothing to do with our problems as a continent,we really think that you,ve not been living in this same world we,ve been living,that,s a sad reality to behold.Go back and read the history of Africa first, then you can come contribute what you think .Change, hence you,ll be perished in this new Africa.

Rafil, you are yet another one of those who is constantly looking back but not forward. Your patriotism is nothing but nationalism with unquestioning and enthusiastic support of Mugabe's political power no matter what it has taken him to get there even at the expense of butchering his own people. I can assure you the West is aware of your African civilization whilst it was still in its caves. The difference is that the West crawled out of its caves but by the looks of your country, YOU are crawling back into those caves. "Africa Rising" is a wonderful thing but as is the case in your country and others, Africa is raising against Africa and even you know full well that Mugabe is dripping with bloody hands from killing not one but thousands of your citizens. Instead of rising to the top within the 28 years of independence like the other African countries such as Zambia for instance, which when under the leadership of Kenneth Kaunda also went into the toilet, has through the responsible governance of Mr Mwananwasa, come to the very top. Mugabe has taken your country where it has never been before and that is to the bottom. Charity begins at home. So before you start criticizing and blaming the west for your failures, talk about 'raising Africa' when you have returned home all your brothers and sisters scattered throughout Southern Africa as refugees, when your country can provide the basic essentials for basic living such as food, medicines for your broken down hospital dumps, fuel, creating jobs for those 80% jobless, creating a place where all Zimbabweans can exercise their God given right to freedom and not to be bound in chains once again by Mugabe after having fought so hard to liberate themselves. Sort yourselves out by all means, but without strong and uncorrupted leadership you will get no where. Africa needs the likes of the present Zambian and Ugandan leaders, men with guts. The rest are wimps and as for you, you are just a brain-washed tag on Mugabe's jacket just dangling and showing the world how useless you are.

You are not serious with your mind, mate. Let's be practical here, not just a talk shop. Africa was injured and still limping, Africa is recovering and during this process it does not mean it should not remind itself who injured it while dealing with that same perpetrator directly. You can't make us forget. I am particularly talking about the psychological injury which is difficult to overcome. That you know yourself, unless you are trying to play ignorance. A word of advice, If you want me to completely heal and not blame you, stop right now,your nonsense of seeing me as inferior when I enter a restaurant, sit on the same table as you are and shift to another table while that is the only space available. I still want a reasonable answer on the Muslim school in Australia. And Afrikan, Where is the African apology we demanded about Africans not sharing?. Until you quit this platform, we will insist to pull on you to clear our name. We have culture, you hear.

Ok, heres another one that I'll take point by point:

"Africa was injured and still limping, Africa is recovering and during this process it does not mean it should not remind itself who injured it while dealing with that same perpetrator directly. You can't make us forget. I am particularly talking about the psychological injury which is difficult to overcome. That you know yourself, unless you are trying to play ignorance."

As I've said many times on this forum ..... the past shouldn't be forgotten, and yes it will make you wary, but you're mistaking wariness with hostility, and you're looking the wrong way for people to blame. For instance if you're looking at the country that did it, then blame the government of that country, not the general public (who in most cases don't even have an interest in the world outside their own country).

"A word of advice, If you want me to completely heal and not blame you, stop right now,your nonsense of seeing me as inferior when I enter a restaurant, sit on the same table as you are and shift to another table while that is the only space available."

This one I found highly amusing, reading it after a night out at a restaurant with a few friends ..... out of a party of 8 there were 3 black, 2 asian (1 oriental descent and 1 Indian descent) and 3 white ..... Do you think I saw them as inferior? The answer is no, and I would think of you no different on the colour of your skin or the sound of your voice ..... If you spouted this sort of junk off in person though, then yes, I would see your attitude as basically inferior to most peoples (and thats of all colours).

"I still want a reasonable answer on the Muslim school in Australia."

I wouldn't mind hearing about this one myself, hadn't heard about it til your post.

"And Afrikan, Where is the African apology we demanded about Africans not sharing?."

Why does he owe you an apology for stating a personal opinion? I don't see you being too forthcoming with apologies when you make similar claims about others.

"We have culture, you hear."

Most have culture, but it's the racist ranters among them who give a false image, like the old saying goes 'it only takes one bad apple to rot the barrel'

It is important to note that no matter how useless on sounds on comments it,s the ability to know from where one is coming, that will eventually enhance knowledge of now and to some extent the future.I,ve only tried to some points about where we are coming from that will ultimately help to grapple with now and requirements.Africa will "raise" and rise.