Slam dunk, again.

The Herald's report did not say that the GNU "begged" the EU to lift sanctions, generalized sanctions, sanctions against the economic structure of Zimbabwe.

Rather, the GNU, with the support of not only African countries, but Carribean and Pacific countries, "tackled" the EU.

Interpreted contextually, "tackled" means that the GNU presented REASONED AGRGUMENTS to parliamentary representatives of the EU to lift sanctions that have lost their raison d'etre. The existence of the GNU is a knock out refutation of the rationality of the generalized sanctions.

Accordingly, reasoned discourse it was; a begging party it certainly was not.

Beggars don't argue; they supplicate.

The GNU did not supplicate.

Moreover, it is irrational to talk about a GNU AND then refer to a ZANU/PF "regime." Under the lexicon of the equivocal West, "regime" means an undemocratic government."

Now, who is now going to call the GNU an "undemocratic government"?

Who?

"Head of the Zimbabwe delegation, Rushinga Senator Damien Mumvuri (Zanu-PF) said Zimbabwe had received overwhelming support from African, Pacific and Caribbean countries who concurred that the embargo was no longer necessary."

Jallohlaw - by extension, are the APC countries now also saying that the embargo was previously necessary?

Yes and no.

Yes, if the GNU agreed that the sanctions were necessary, in which case the other countries would be agreeing with a position posited by the GNU, namely that the sanctions were necessary. There is nothing in the story that even suggests or implies that this is the position of the GNU.

No, if the GNU posited no such position; the "other countries" merely agreeing among themselves that the sanctions were necessary. The GNU's ARGUMENT does not depend on whether or not the other countries thought the sanctions were necessary.

In fact, the "necessity question," as far as the GNU is concerned, is undecidable, given the reporting. Under the same reporting, however, the position of the EU is decidable: the representatives of the EU thought and still think that the sanctions were necessary; imposing conditions, therefore, that would facilitate their removal.

Again, the GNU's argument is that, without touching the issue of whether the sanctions were necssary or not, the grounds for their continuance no longer obtain.

Quite simple the solution to this problem. All Mugabe needs to do is let the rule of law abide, full transparent governmental activities, stop the farm invasions, and reign in the thugs. Then and only then will the donor countries be able to help. Sadc said it could help and SA says they can only afford 800 million rand. That's a hell of a lot less than one of the new stadiums for the 2010 soccor tournement would cost. So much for african solidarity. Africa wanted an african solution, and guess what, when the cruch comes, nothing is forth coming. Love, peace and reconcilliation the african way.

Suppose Jabba you could outline which sanctions are in place ,that could or would be hindering an open and honest GNU trying to attract EU and not to mention African neighbours $$$$$$$$?Or yes they all agreed to lobby for or no they wont put any money up either. Stupid Herald. Ooops, sorry Jabs you didn't write that ditty did you?

Dont remove a thing from the sanctions. While Mugabe and his cronies still steal farms and rage havoc of lawlessness and corruption. Dont remove a thing. The removal of sanctions will only strengthen Zanu PF illegal trades of diamonds etc, and will not help the man on the street. When Mugabe is dead and buried along with his cronies, then you can lift sanctions

You don't have to worry. The removal of sanctions is quite an easy thing. Criminal Mugabe has just to take the back seat!

Will this power hungry tyrant do it? No. Tsvangirai knows it. But Tsvangirai has a strategy to wear down this old tyrant. He will get the upper hand in due course, following the projected elections.

Everyone here is skipping over the main point. The sanctions are purely being used to take the focus off the mismanagement and corruptness of the Zanu PF Government.

They are purely propaganda designed to lead people into thinking that the sanctions are the reason behind the demise of Zimbawe, and that the ZANU PF are not at fault. The more people focus on these sanctions, the more attention is taken away from the real reasons behind the demise of Zimbabwe.

You simply cannot say that 1 countries decision not to trade with 170 or so individuals has lead to the dire situation in Zimbabwe today. Plain and simple.

So all those that keep on bringing up sanctions, lets just brush them aside, and lets focus on the reality of Zimbawe, a corrupt government that has put itself ahead of the people it is there to serve.

Awt, I think it is you who is missing the point. First you deny that sanctions were imposed on Zimbabwe. I guess you fear that people in Zimbabwe know that there are sanctions on Zimbabwe. You are one of the people who know best that sanctions do not exists, even though the very countries that imposed sanctions acknowledge the sanctions! A problem cannot be addressed or solved without first acknowledging the issue. Are the sanctions the only problem in Zimbabwe? Absolutely not! Mugabe is/has also been the problem. I suggest you start you own blog that will strictly say that there are no sanctions on Zimbabwe, maybe you may convince some of us, of your brilliant “seer” insight on the non-existence of sanctions!!

This is funny! All along I thought western countries have no relevance to Zimbabwe. What does zanu(pf) want from the West? I need Taku to answer this question.

Get your help from SADCC. Leave the West alone. Do not bite the hand that feeds you- you will go hungry. Allow the West to evaluate and assess the genuineness of the unity government before you can tretch your beggar's bowl to them.

MDC did not take heed from advice on this website. Its shameful they are now at the forefront carrying the beggar's bowl whilst zanu(pf)is still busy looting and invading farms. Rule of law first, and no one should be above the law. Get that fixed first, then you can start talking. They once said Zimbabwe needed an African solution, now where is the African solution? If you want to travel, go around and see the invaded farms. Thats sad!!!!!

Phiri I will be the first in line on Awt's blog that states there are no sanctions against the Sovereign State of Zimbabwe. Phiri I am making a personal invitation to you to please list all the sanctions against ZIMBABWE. All that I am aware of are those sanctions targeted against Mugabe, his thieving partners and companies that have made all the theft and total drain of Zimbabwe possible. The USA does billions of dollars worth of trade with Zimbabwe annually. Are you saying then that they are busting their own sanctions? There are none and get it into your thick scull otherwise prove me wrong by giving me a list of them. In fact a number of parastatals that Mr Biti is considering privatizing to plug the drain hole are some of those which Mugabe has now unconstitutionally taken from MDC controlled ministry.

Krjs120, I'm pleased for you and awt that you will spear head a blog whose sole purpose is to deny and state that there are no sanctions on Zimbabwe. I suggest that SW Radio would also be interested....Maybe SW Radio will feel important again since the MDC-T is distancing itself from this Lunatic radio station.

Thanks for the invitation and as soon as you set up your blog please let me know to post my comments. Oh...I had a question, are travel restrictions "sanctions" against a country? Since travel restriction clearly involve stopping money flow. You maybe pleased or sad to hear that Germany is lifting travel "sanctions" against travel restrictions to Zimbabwe.

Phiri even YOU cannot state a single Zimbabwean that has been turned away or refused entry into any any foreign airport just for the fact that they are Zimbabwean. ONLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED OR LINKED TO MUGABE AND HAVE HAD SANCTIONS SLAPPED ON THEM, HAVE THE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS. How many times does this fact have to be explained? Even if the travel restrictions were to be released, it will not help Zimbabwe one penny because these crooks will only spend their money in the foreign countries they visit. Remember it is only a handful of them. As it has been said before, sanctions on Mugabe and the handful of his crooks and associated companies is just NOT cause enough to destroy Zimbabwe so much. Simply put, Zimbabwe has been destroyed by Mugabe and all his stealing. No single country in the world can function when its money is being taken out of the country and stashed elsewhere. Where then is the money going to come from to run that country? If you constantly drain water from a well, it will dry up and that is what has happened in Zimbabwe. Coffers are dried up and now poor Mr Biti is frantic to find money but that bloody thief Mugabe is still there.

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dagrossing, are they really sanctions on Zimbabwe? Some people on this blog deny it! I have always believed that they were sanctions on Zimbabwe.

Could someone at The Herald help define illegal sanctions? It appears that the so called sanctions are illegal because they affect Zane PF leaders. If they are illegal why then do they need lobbying instead of taking the case to the international court of law in The Hague? For positive development in Zimbabwe travel bans should correctly be described and how they affect ordinary people. The current term is based on propaganda so no one would be influenced by such a stupid term as illegal sanctions.

Chachacha, Illigal sanctions are those percieved by the Dictator to be against his own back pocket. See the moths in ZanuPF's coffers.

Is it possible that richerson88 has finally cracked ?

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Unforgiveable! Having crafted an African solution for an African problem, SADC has failed to meet its own deadline to show that they mean business. Other than SA, they will now spend more money sending officials first class around the world and staying in five star hotels to plead for outsiders' money; than they will actually donate to Zimbabwe's budget.

If ever there was a good example of the realities of geopolitics this is it.

Katz, I never imagined that SADC would foot the bills for Zimbabwe! SA is probably the only country that is capable. The truth of the matter is you can not ask other poor countries to help you to clean the mess you caused. Zimbabwe clearly did not follow sound economic or political process to allow the kind of development that other SADC countries have experienced. I also think SA has it's own interest in reviving the Zimbabwean economy. After all Zim was the largest trading partner for SA in SADC.

Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, and Namibia have their own problems. Should they be asked to assist Zimbabwe's purchase of luxury cars for it's cabinet? I do not think so! Should they be asked to pay the salaries of Zimbabwe's blotted huge number of cabinet ministers? I don't think! What is needed now in Zimbabwe is a reality check of wasteful spending and cutting down Cabinet ministers perks (house, bodyguard, luxury cars, cell phones etc)

Phiri - I concur with you entirely about where the blame for Zimbabwe's malaise lies and the difficulty of expecting one's neighbours to dig the country out of a self-made hole. Your comments about the necessity for a dose of economic realism are also spot on.

Nevertheless, when one considers the discussions and negotiations that must have gone on behind closed doors in the lead up to the GPA, with the likes of Botswana and Zambia arguing for a change and Angola and Namibia defending Mugabe, it is very disappointing that not even the latter two could have put their money where their mouths were. It makes a mockery of SADC as a regional bloc, and that is bad news. The region has invested massive political capital in this solution, which it now appears (for the time being at least) could have been spent better elsewhere.

I sincerely hope that the huge goodwill that will be generated from a successful hosting of next year's World Cup is not overshadowed by collapse and anarchy in Zimbabwe. The region needs a boost and nothing should spoil it chance of getting one.

Update: I have read with great satsifaction that Botswana has now pledged a US$70m line of credit. That is awesome for a country as small as Botswana, and whose own budget is now stressed by the mothballing of a very large diamond mine. Well done Botswana; especially given the bile and denigration aimed at the country by Mugabe and his band of thieves.

Where the hell is Angola, Namibia and Mozambique who are amongst Mugabe's strongest supporters?

Katz, Botswana continues to be an example. As a Zimbabwean myself, I'm always disappointed that Zimbabwe has a bad record of keeping it's promises with it's neighbours. I hope Botswana gets it's money back. Botswana is also linked to Zimbabwean industries and tourism. Batswana used to go to Victoria falls on the Zimbabwean side, although now they have been going to the Zambian side.

Angola, should also be doing well since it is a major oil producer. They do have plenty of US dollars to lend to Zimbabwe, but considerable poor in human capital and development.

I have to agree with you Phiri on this one, well put.

Infact I agree with both Katz and Phiri, both have very valid points of view.

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The Unity Gov. Is a farce. It is only a matter of months before this train-wreck derails. The zimbabwean people have only themselves to blame.

Since when did SADC get any credibility? It's just a RSA show! RSA wants to maintain criminal Mugabe in the front seat, so RSA must foot the bill. Why other SADC member countries have to bill out the GNU when tyrant Mugabe only has got the prerogative to loot government coffers!

Without MUgabe taking the back seat and without proper mechanisms for accountability and transparency, there would hardly be any significant amount of foreign assistance flowing into the country.

Zim problems are far from over.The only way to rescue the situation is to have a government which will have been elected by the people through a democratic process.Otherwise the interna wranglings will keep on gripping the running of the state.It is goin to be difficult because there is no trust between the parties.

why must these SADC guys go to the west for assistance what about THE WONDERFUL AFRICAN UNION that cannot help with Somali Pirates As i have said before it is always someone else doing their DIRTY work while their leaders just live lavishely - get six cars when their retire etc.

Within the SADC South Africa is the only one that wants to pay for Mugabes mess. SA is the sponsor of stateterror in Zimbabwe. SA continues to sponsor the murderer, torturer, liar, blackmailer, thief, choleracauser, choleradeniar and voterigger Mugabe. Western countries must continue their targeted sanctions on Mugabe and the other failures and western countries should not go to the worldcup of soccer in SA 2010 because if they go they help to finance the illegitimate president Mugabe and it will take longer before the Zimbabweans get released from this criminal evil filthy monster.

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The only way to resolve the Zimbwabean debacle is the removal of Mugabe and his henchmen from power, and ushering in a duly elected government. Anything short of that is toying with history. Mugabe's era is/was over; it time to move on.

At best, right now Zimbabwe is a satellite state - of South Africa, at worst it is a failed state. And everybody knows what satellite state amounts to a a pseudo-colony.

Only South Africa is benefitting by having an enhanced position as a regional broker even if it is gained by the dastardly act of backing a failed Mugabe's failed dictatorial presidency.

BUNKUM PROPAGANDA is at it again: an article devoid of sources, an article asserting facts with no evidentiary legs, an article exhibiting the worst traits of journalism.

A more sober article could have framed the story not as a failure of SADC to raise funds, but as challenges to SADC's attempt to raise funds. Accordingly, the assertion of "failure" is an ideological reading of the situation. The facts are ambiguous; and, BUNKUM PROPAGANDA tenders the most dire interpretation. But, interpretations map ideological proclivities, and that should not off in a professionally crafted journalistic story.

BUNKUM PROPAGANDA and SOUTH WEST RUBBISH ARE THE EQUIVALENTS OF FIX NEWS IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA.

Move over Goebbles; Jallohlaw is here!

why is dat SA is the first to come to Mugabe's rescue(this tym he is broke),we need better economic and political policies before we can spend our currency in MUGABE' REIGNS...in Bots.

""Only SA has committed - a pledge of about R800m." WHY ? We have 20 million rural people and Aids orphans starving ! There are uncounted millions of Zims here. We have spent millions on treating their Cholera patients and our infected [by them] population. REASON ! MINERALS ! Let Zim meltdown, West walks away and opens up for - new colonisation by RSA Billionaires, Patrice Motsepe and 21 African brethren buying up Zim Mines. Also CHINA has its stake in place for mining to begin. There is more mineral wealth than in RSA !

We understand and forgive the verbal manifestations of senility, 'Old Lady.'

Go in peace, child!

hIYA Richarson88 are u referring Senility to Robber Muga the Mugger if he could speak sense like the Old Lady it would be great u are the one who should go in peace u are always rattling along

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You are free to disagree with us with or without reasoned arguments, but your resort to vulgarity and impersonation crosses the line and WE, THEREFORE, EXPLICITLY DRAW THE ATTENTION OF THE EDITORS OF ALLAFRICA.COM to your barbaric conduct, and we suppose, that allafrica.com does not want to be reduced to the level of the Sierra Leonean rags, DARKNESS TIMES, which you 'publish' and COCAINE FORUM.

Go in peace, senile 'Old Lady,' aka every imaginable moniker!

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Old Lady you are brilliant bringing out what you term the "new colonization by RSA Billionaires" of Zimbabwe. Finally the Mugabe stupid fools will give the West a rest. They are always crying out about their imaginary western recolonization of Zimbabwe when in actual fact they not only loot their own country but now the colonization is from their very own front yard. Now let me see their so called bravado against the South Africans milking their country. How sweet it is!

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On the issue South African 'colonialism,' apparently, you have no undersrtanding of the content of the concept of 'colonialism.' The South Africans are free to buy Zimbabwean land from willing and able and ready Zimbabwean sellers.

Accordingly, your argument implodes: the INVADERS, to whom WE attach the adjective 'colonialist', did not buy land from any of our ancestors.

On the contrary, they STOLE the land.

That is colonialism, dude.

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Krj120, Given your "Brain" activities, you deserve to be colonized. You are so bitter about any progressive being made in Zimbabwe or SADC. You are classic white, bitter, Toxic bale and a total idiot!

Phiri you are a coward. Now that you are being invaded and looted by South Africans you don't dare say anything because you know they will kick your arse and they will not have the tolerance the Western world has had towards you. These rich South Africans will party at Mugabe's palace and leave you high and dry.

Hey Krjs120, It may surprise you, but I do agree that Zimbabwe's arse will be kicked if they misuse South African Money or Batswana. Way too many times Zimbabweans have taken others for granted. I do not believe that Zimbabwe is anyway deserving of aid from neigbors, as long as the topic is buying cars for cabinet ministers, and Mugabe showering his cronies with houses and farmers...How long will this go on. SADC should use money to punish robert Mugabe and to systematical change the corruption in Zimbabwe.

with Gono and Mugabe stealing openly from AID and other coffers who , for heavens sake WHO is going to give money to Bob? You must be looney. Any money raised by MDC or SADC will also be looted by Gono and Bob. Thats why Africa is always poor because we keep dipping our corrupt black hands into money that should be going to infrastructure health and education. Shame on Africa. We need to put honesty first. Zimbabwe needs to be honest. with Gono and Bob thats not possible.

The reason the shops have any stock on the shelves is because so few people have access to fex. If there were enough fex for all, the shops' shelves would be just as empty as those that accept Zim dollars, and for the same reason: because everybody has piles of Zim dollars.

There are only two possible solutions to this: either the people must re-learn how to produce things for themselves, and in the process destroy the socialist bureaucracy that doesn't understand how the world really works when it's not written on paper; or a minimum of 12 million Zimbabweans must die, for the sake of creating a sustainable socialist economy.

Ragtime, Shops Having stock is a very positive development in Zimbabwe, even though the takers are few. The results is that inflation in Zimbabwe is going down! Eventually the prizes will go down as well. Most prices in Zimbabwe are based on the fact that those goods cannot be found in Zim. Now, that the goods are in, it makes sense that the prices will also starting going down. No more excessive trips to Botswana or South Africa. This is just the first step, goods are available in the stores, second is price reducation and how Zimbabweans will be able to aford. Zimbabweans in diaspora are sending money to their relates in Zimbabwe, who in turn will be buying in Zimbabwe, as oppossed to driving to Botswana. It is easy to try and create a prediction of gloom, when in fact this is good news!!!

Ragtimer , you are right. Either everyone must be paid in forex or like you say start producing again. We all know who has put the country in this position. Foriegn aid must be in the form of sorting out the electric supply, water supply, transport, health and education. Never ever give money, that will go into the elites back pocket. Targetted aid is the only answer.

It's unfortunate that actually explaining how economies work just makes people angry, while reducing the complexity of an economic system to simple but false slogans like "the money just goes into the elites' back pocket" is the only thing that seems to convince people to change their habits.

The biggest problem with the entire world today is that everyone is acting on what they believe, rather than on what they can prove. All the world powers were built by people who constructed them based on hard scientific facts, and are today being torn down by people who think belief and superstition are superior to science.

Ragtimer, it is also very easy to sit at your desk and postulate economic policies. That's what you are doing now. Just talking as if you have the answer to Zimbabwean problems. Before this mess in Zimbabwe, all sorts of experts were in Zim, including the IMF, World Bank, UK economist etc and in the end they failed to address the issues and economics in Zimbabwe. That led to land invasions and other things. Tone down your "self-righteousness" on this blog, it is way too easy to claim you know economics on this blog. Vooddoo economics has been practised in the first world countries as well. An example of that is the current fiscal problems with bank failures in the UK, Sweden, Japan and the USA. No easy answer for Zimbabwe

And your point is? Would it be better to fill the forum with the nonsense of Richardson88/Jallohlaw, or the outright lies of Chokora, just because they tell you the things you want to hear? The real root cause of the land invasions, and all of Africa's problems, really, is that the people have only listened to what they want to hear for far to long, and completely ignored the things they NEED to hear.

Maybe if you listened less to the people who flatter you, and more to the people who insult you, you would not keep failing at everything you attempt.

Ragtimer, your points make a lot of sense. Apart from the many reasons you have all already stated that are contributing to goods not moving from the shelves, perhaps it is because there is no buying power as Zimbabwe has such a high unemployment rate and not all citizens having access to the foreign currencies now being adopted such as the US dollar, the rand and the pula. Those who live far from the cities must feel the most pinch as it must be harder for them to lay their hands on these currencies.

Krjs120, at least there are goods on the shelves and inflation is going down. You Rhodes are very "toxic" people and very bitter, because things are not turning your way! Zimbabwean are much more creative than you give them credit.

Before the shelves were stocked, food was purchased in South Africa with hard currency by Zimbabweans (Zimbabweans do have some hard currency!!!) Now their foreign currency will be spent right there in Zimbabwe saving millions of dollars. This can be the beginning of creating employment. Zimbabwe will survive, it survived even without bitter, "toxic" Rhodes!

Hey Phiri, if you took the time to read some of our posts, you would realize that YOU are the" toxic" one blinded by your racist black and white sun rays all the time. Contrary to your thinking, Zimbabweans do not "have some hard currency." Mugabe has created so many struggling families that you do not see because they are the invisible ones whilst you fat morons enjoy the fat of the land. Why are so many millions of Zimbabweans in South Africa? Spending their big bucks over there?

Kjrs, you know the reson for inflation going down in Zim is this, A lot of bussinesses in Zim are importing the food and goods, at first there were only a few people were doing this and could charge whatever prices they wanted. Now that there are more and more people doing it, there is a lot more compitition. When a bussiness sess that the goods are not moving, they need to cut the price to be able to move the goods, Hence why inflation comes down. It is artificial deflation. If the goods were produced in Zim, then it would be good for the people, but as you know most goods are not made in Zim.Yes compition in bussiness is good for the consumer, it cuts the profit margin of the bussines man. It is good that the shops are filling up, but as we all know it should be with Zimbabwe produce. South Africa seems to be taking over Zim through the back door with their economic colonisation, Some call it investment.

Zola you are absolutely correct that completion in business is healthy and keeps prices down and affordable for the people. Our main cry is " Let the people eat." With good food comes health and a well nourished body is tough against infections and diseases and of course is able to work and provide for the family. If MDC continues to persevere, eventually everything will come together but we cannot expect MDC to improve overnight what it has taken Mugabe to destroy in 29 years. Policies and some amendments or changes will have to be done to the constitution otherwise it is difficult for honest people to run a country with laws designed to suit dictator Mugabe.

Zola you are absolutely correct that completion in business is healthy and keeps prices down and affordable for the people. Our main cry is " Let the people eat." With good food comes health and a well nourished body is tough against infections and diseases and of course is able to work and provide for the family. If MDC continues to persevere, eventually everything will come together but we cannot expect MDC to improve overnight what it has taken Mugabe to destroy in 29 years. Policies and some amendments or changes will have to be done to the constitution otherwise it is difficult for honest people to run a country with laws designed to suit dictator Mugabe.

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